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		<title>By: Sheinberger</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-18111</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about anti-Israel oaths:


http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191385

'European Jewish communities are in serious danger’ 

“European Jewish Congress calls on governments to launch campaign against intolerance, anti-Semitism to remember "Never Again" concept. “


“The statement gave a recent example of a respected and government-funded Catholic school in Antwerp that hosted a ‘Palestine Day’, which was replete with anti-Semitic references and activities for youngsters. 

One stall at the event was titled “Throw the soldiers into the sea” where children were invited to throw replicas of Jewish and Israeli soldiers into two large tanks, the organization highlighted.

The EJC, which is the democratically elected representative umbrella organization of European Jewry, is calling on European governments and the European Union to launch a campaign against intolerance and anti-Semitism, so to remind European citizens that the new Europe was established after the Second World War on the concept of “Never Again.””</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about anti-Israel oaths:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191385" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191385</a></p>
<p>&#8216;European Jewish communities are in serious danger’ </p>
<p>“European Jewish Congress calls on governments to launch campaign against intolerance, anti-Semitism to remember &#8220;Never Again&#8221; concept. “</p>
<p>“The statement gave a recent example of a respected and government-funded Catholic school in Antwerp that hosted a ‘Palestine Day’, which was replete with anti-Semitic references and activities for youngsters. </p>
<p>One stall at the event was titled “Throw the soldiers into the sea” where children were invited to throw replicas of Jewish and Israeli soldiers into two large tanks, the organization highlighted.</p>
<p>The EJC, which is the democratically elected representative umbrella organization of European Jewry, is calling on European governments and the European Union to launch a campaign against intolerance and anti-Semitism, so to remind European citizens that the new Europe was established after the Second World War on the concept of “Never Again.””</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jdyer, thank you for your support. Dan Meridor makes my point better than I can, ""Lately there has been suggestion, after suggestion, after suggestion meant to send messages to the Arab public - 'this is not yours, this is not your country,' and there are even those who say 'we will soon transfer you to a Palestinian state.' The Arab citizens are constantly reminded that they do not belong, and yet we demand loyalty from them," Meridor added." (Quoted from Haaretz.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jdyer, thank you for your support. Dan Meridor makes my point better than I can, &#8220;&#8221;Lately there has been suggestion, after suggestion, after suggestion meant to send messages to the Arab public - &#8216;this is not yours, this is not your country,&#8217; and there are even those who say &#8216;we will soon transfer you to a Palestinian state.&#8217; The Arab citizens are constantly reminded that they do not belong, and yet we demand loyalty from them,&#8221; Meridor added.&#8221; (Quoted from Haaretz.)</p>
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		<title>By: jdyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17838</link>
		<dc:creator>jdyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cross posted the above comment on TNR webiste on a post dealing with the same issue:


http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/78295/the-old-likud-idealists-against-the-thugs-the-new-israeli-right#comment-295460</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cross posted the above comment on TNR webiste on a post dealing with the same issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/78295/the-old-likud-idealists-against-the-thugs-the-new-israeli-right#comment-295460" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/78295/the-old-likud-idealists-against-the-thugs-the-new-israeli-right#comment-295460</a></p>
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		<title>By: jdyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17832</link>
		<dc:creator>jdyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bella   “I think the fact that the oath will apply on to non-Jews is disgraceful and I speak as a fervent lover of Israel. This is not a left/right but racist/anti-racist issue. It is about Israel Beiteinu’s hold on the cabinet and Netanyahu’s cowardice.”



Bella, I admire your website and post articles from it whenever I can. My views on Lieberman and Netanyahu are similar to yours.

I even agree that such an oath is unnecessary. Still, you have to agree that most countries do require some sort of oath for its newly minted citizens. 

You yourself on your web site offered an example of why such an oath might be necessary:


“While yesterday I posted a preposterous suggestion made by Michelle J. Kinnucan that Jews were taking over spokesmen-ship of the Palestinian solidarity movement, today we have the revelation that Edith Lutz, one of the passengers of last week's Jewish boat to Gaza, is a Christian who faked her conversion to Judaism in order to proclaim her solidarity with Palestinians. Can you beat it? I wonder how many others are out there clamoring to be chosen by The Chosen in order to choose Hamas.”

http://mideastparalleluniverse.blogspot.com/2010/10/funny-you-dont-look-jewish_08.html


Your post also shows that such an oath be made mandatory of all those offered citizenship and not just non-Jews since people have been known to convert to Judaism in order to undermine the Jewish State.

I trust that the example you offered and I am sure there are others will be used as evidence to mount a challenge to the oath at the Israeli Supreme court. 


 
Where we part company is your view that the law is racist. It isn’t racist in the strict use of the term since Jews are not a race. Still, the law was badly conceived and hastily enacted. It should be challenged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bella   “I think the fact that the oath will apply on to non-Jews is disgraceful and I speak as a fervent lover of Israel. This is not a left/right but racist/anti-racist issue. It is about Israel Beiteinu’s hold on the cabinet and Netanyahu’s cowardice.”</p>
<p>Bella, I admire your website and post articles from it whenever I can. My views on Lieberman and Netanyahu are similar to yours.</p>
<p>I even agree that such an oath is unnecessary. Still, you have to agree that most countries do require some sort of oath for its newly minted citizens. </p>
<p>You yourself on your web site offered an example of why such an oath might be necessary:</p>
<p>“While yesterday I posted a preposterous suggestion made by Michelle J. Kinnucan that Jews were taking over spokesmen-ship of the Palestinian solidarity movement, today we have the revelation that Edith Lutz, one of the passengers of last week&#8217;s Jewish boat to Gaza, is a Christian who faked her conversion to Judaism in order to proclaim her solidarity with Palestinians. Can you beat it? I wonder how many others are out there clamoring to be chosen by The Chosen in order to choose Hamas.”</p>
<p><a href="http://mideastparalleluniverse.blogspot.com/2010/10/funny-you-dont-look-jewish_08.html" rel="nofollow">http://mideastparalleluniverse.blogspot.com/2010/10/funny-you-dont-look-jewish_08.html</a></p>
<p>Your post also shows that such an oath be made mandatory of all those offered citizenship and not just non-Jews since people have been known to convert to Judaism in order to undermine the Jewish State.</p>
<p>I trust that the example you offered and I am sure there are others will be used as evidence to mount a challenge to the oath at the Israeli Supreme court. </p>
<p>Where we part company is your view that the law is racist. It isn’t racist in the strict use of the term since Jews are not a race. Still, the law was badly conceived and hastily enacted. It should be challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: The Day of the Race at Z-Word Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17821</link>
		<dc:creator>The Day of the Race at Z-Word Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another Argentine &#8220;story&#8221; for guilt-stricken Israelis like Noam. Today is a public holiday in Argentina. What&#8217;s being celebrated is The Day of the Race. No, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] another Argentine &#8220;story&#8221; for guilt-stricken Israelis like Noam. Today is a public holiday in Argentina. What&#8217;s being celebrated is The Day of the Race. No, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bella</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17812</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fact that the oath will apply on to non-Jews is disgraceful and I speak as a fervent lover of Israel. This is not a left/right but racist/anti-racist issue. It is about Israel Beiteinu's hold on the cabinet and Netanyahu's cowardice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact that the oath will apply on to non-Jews is disgraceful and I speak as a fervent lover of Israel. This is not a left/right but racist/anti-racist issue. It is about Israel Beiteinu&#8217;s hold on the cabinet and Netanyahu&#8217;s cowardice.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17745</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"As for your Argentina story, I wonder if they apply this article only to none-Christians."

Noam: my Argentina story, eh? I have lived here for many years and longer than some of your 972 comrades have lived  in Israel and I  speak and read the language. I give credit to you  for having first hand knowledge of Israel which I lack, even when I  don't agree with your views, and would appreciate the same courtesy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for your Argentina story, I wonder if they apply this article only to none-Christians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noam: my Argentina story, eh? I have lived here for many years and longer than some of your 972 comrades have lived  in Israel and I  speak and read the language. I give credit to you  for having first hand knowledge of Israel which I lack, even when I  don&#8217;t agree with your views, and would appreciate the same courtesy.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17725</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 01:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noam - Jacob's right. You are basically calling for the end of the State of Israel as it exists. Only in Israel could a journalist get away with that - anywhere, else in the region...

Please, do occasionally engage in comparative politics. It's intellectually healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam - Jacob&#8217;s right. You are basically calling for the end of the State of Israel as it exists. Only in Israel could a journalist get away with that - anywhere, else in the region&#8230;</p>
<p>Please, do occasionally engage in comparative politics. It&#8217;s intellectually healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Arnon</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17723</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Arnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 00:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read noam sheizaf's web site and I am sorry I answered his malicious post. 

He is in favor of a one State solution which is to say of the erasing of the Jewish State from the world map since a single State with an Arab Muslim majority would merely create another Arab State in the region with the eventual cleansing of most Jews from the region. 

It is ironic that Sheizaf opposes an oath in the name of “democracy” but is working for a non-democratic solution to the conflict since most Jews do not desire to live in single State as a minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read noam sheizaf&#8217;s web site and I am sorry I answered his malicious post. </p>
<p>He is in favor of a one State solution which is to say of the erasing of the Jewish State from the world map since a single State with an Arab Muslim majority would merely create another Arab State in the region with the eventual cleansing of most Jews from the region. </p>
<p>It is ironic that Sheizaf opposes an oath in the name of “democracy” but is working for a non-democratic solution to the conflict since most Jews do not desire to live in single State as a minority.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/of-oaths-and-citizenship/#comment-17721</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't get the controversy. Aren't those seeking US citizenship required to swear allegiance to our constitutional order? The Israeli corollary of which is the Jewish and democratic character of the State?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the controversy. Aren&#8217;t those seeking US citizenship required to swear allegiance to our constitutional order? The Israeli corollary of which is the Jewish and democratic character of the State?</p>
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