Comments on: David Hirsh On The The Livingstone Formulation http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 24 May 2012 05:11:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: modernity http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17443 modernity Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:09:35 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17443 White's scribblings are irrelevant. Whereas Dr Hirsh's discussion of antisemitism, its subtleties and the motifs of racism is enjoyable and challenging. White’s scribblings are irrelevant.

Whereas Dr Hirsh’s discussion of antisemitism, its subtleties and the motifs of racism is enjoyable and challenging.

]]> By: vildechaye http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17394 vildechaye Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:16:54 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17394 And don't even get me started on Finklestein. What can you say about someone who gives the enemies of his people every benefit of the doubt, and his own people none. He should be shunned. (And if he were Arab or Muslim and behaving as he does, shunning would be the least of his problems.) End of story. And don’t even get me started on Finklestein. What can you say about someone who gives the enemies of his people every benefit of the doubt, and his own people none. He should be shunned. (And if he were Arab or Muslim and behaving as he does, shunning would be the least of his problems.) End of story.

]]> By: vildechaye http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17393 vildechaye Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:13:56 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17393 RE: You are clearly attacking someone who is not in any way an anti-semite simply because he has accurately outlined and criticized israel on many valid points. Your premise is flawed. I have read many posts by Ben White that go far beyond "accurately outlining and criticizing Israel on many valid points." He singles Israel out, ignores far greater atrocities attributable to others -- notably israel's neighbours -- and is quick to accuse Israel of crimes before evidence is in. That makes calling him -- or at least his remarks -- anti-semitic entirely appropriate. RE: You are clearly attacking someone who is not in any way an anti-semite simply because he has accurately outlined and criticized israel on many valid points.

Your premise is flawed. I have read many posts by Ben White that go far beyond “accurately outlining and criticizing Israel on many valid points.” He singles Israel out, ignores far greater atrocities attributable to others — notably israel’s neighbours — and is quick to accuse Israel of crimes before evidence is in. That makes calling him — or at least his remarks — anti-semitic entirely appropriate.

]]> By: Joseph W http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17381 Joseph W Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:08:23 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17381 Sorry! Ben C's right, it's not worth the read anyway. Sorry! Ben C’s right, it’s not worth the read anyway.

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17371 Eamonn McDonagh Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:46:33 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17371 If I were to say "Irish Catholics are all sexually incontinent, deceitful, alcoholics and mentally enslaved by a foreign despot, Josef Ratzinger" I guess most people would regard that statement (and me with it) as prejudiced/racist. If I were then to point out that I myself am Irish and from a Catholic family would they all go, "Ooops, terribly sorry, if I had known that I would never have taken that statement to show any kind of prejudice against Irish Catholics." ?? If I were to say “Irish Catholics are all sexually incontinent, deceitful, alcoholics and mentally enslaved by a foreign despot, Josef Ratzinger”

I guess most people would regard that statement (and me with it) as prejudiced/racist.

If I were then to point out that I myself am Irish and from a Catholic family would they all go,

“Ooops, terribly sorry, if I had known that I would never have taken that statement to show any kind of prejudice against Irish Catholics.” ??

]]> By: Gary Spedding http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17370 Gary Spedding Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:40:12 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17370 But thats what you are saying by calling Ben White an Anti-Semite. You are clearly attacking someone who is not in any way an anti-semite simply because he has accurately outlined and criticized israel on many valid points. I also notice you fail to address my points when i post them to you...... The fact is that using international law along with various other sources Ben has accurately criticized israel and nothing he has ever written is remotely anti-semitic unless of course you twist things to suite your purpose and try to make him out to be anti semitic which is just stupidity. But thats what you are saying by calling Ben White an Anti-Semite. You are clearly attacking someone who is not in any way an anti-semite simply because he has accurately outlined and criticized israel on many valid points.

I also notice you fail to address my points when i post them to you……

The fact is that using international law along with various other sources Ben has accurately criticized israel and nothing he has ever written is remotely anti-semitic unless of course you twist things to suite your purpose and try to make him out to be anti semitic which is just stupidity.

]]> By: Ben Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17369 Ben Cohen Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:34:54 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17369 <i>I suppose that everyone who criticizes israel and its policies is an anti-semite in your views right?</i> Nope. Wrong. I suppose that everyone who criticizes israel and its policies is an anti-semite in your views right?

Nope. Wrong.

]]> By: Gary Spedding http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17368 Gary Spedding Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:28:12 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17368 I think that accusing someone of being a fifth rate anti-semite needs justification. For example i have witnessed people trying to accuse Norman Finkelstein of being an Anti-Semite and worse a holocaust denyer because of his accurate commentary and work on the Holocaust industry even though he is A, Jewish and B, the child of holocaust survivors. I suppose that everyone who criticizes israel and its policies is an anti-semite in your views right? So by your standards the Left wing in Israel who would and do agree with Ben White are also all Anti-Semitic? I suppose i am as well by your standards simply for pointing these things out. If your going to accuse someone of being an Anti-Semite you need to be able to back it up with evidence before you try and make silly slanderous statements about them. I think that accusing someone of being a fifth rate anti-semite needs justification. For example i have witnessed people trying to accuse Norman Finkelstein of being an Anti-Semite and worse a holocaust denyer because of his accurate commentary and work on the Holocaust industry even though he is A, Jewish and B, the child of holocaust survivors. I suppose that everyone who criticizes israel and its policies is an anti-semite in your views right?

So by your standards the Left wing in Israel who would and do agree with Ben White are also all Anti-Semitic? I suppose i am as well by your standards simply for pointing these things out.

If your going to accuse someone of being an Anti-Semite you need to be able to back it up with evidence before you try and make silly slanderous statements about them.

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17364 Eamonn McDonagh Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:46:43 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17364 Ben: Did you ever get the extension built? Ben: Did you ever get the extension built?

]]> By: Fabian from Israel http://blog.z-word.com/2010/10/david-hirsh-on-the-the-livingstone-formulation/#comment-17349 Fabian from Israel Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:20:02 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1755#comment-17349 Hi Whitey! Hi Whitey!

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