Comments on: A Noble New Recruit For The Boycotters http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 24 May 2012 04:21:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: La verde y católica Erin « PATRIA JUDIA http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14866 La verde y católica Erin « PATRIA JUDIA Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:49:37 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14866 [...] accuse them of being the contemporary incarnation of their own worst oppressors and are prepared to boycott their state until it behaves as they would [...] […] accuse them of being the contemporary incarnation of their own worst oppressors and are prepared to boycott their state until it behaves as they would […]

]]> By: Michael Collins, 88 Years and Burying the Past at Z-Word Blog http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14829 Michael Collins, 88 Years and Burying the Past at Z-Word Blog Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:03:33 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14829 [...] accuse them of being the contemporary incarnation of their own worst oppressors and are prepared to boycott their state until it behaves as they would [...] […] accuse them of being the contemporary incarnation of their own worst oppressors and are prepared to boycott their state until it behaves as they would […]

]]> By: Terry Glavin http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14715 Terry Glavin Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:22:30 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14715 Sad to hear that Irvine and Lunny have gone in for this. Not surprised about Moore. When I was a lot younger I used to sing along with Moore's Viva La Qunita Brigada, until years on I noticed this bit in the lyrics: "This song is a tribute to Frank Ryan, Kit Conway and Dinny Coady too. Peter Daly, Charlie Regan and Hugh Bonar, Though many died I can but name a few." Frank Ryan gor sprung from prison in Spain with the connivance of Franco's fascists in order to proceed to Germany where he spent the war working for the Nazis in their military intelligence operations. All in the cause of Irish republicanism, of course. . . Sad to hear that Irvine and Lunny have gone in for this. Not surprised about Moore. When I was a lot younger I used to sing along with Moore’s Viva La Qunita Brigada, until years on I noticed this bit in the lyrics:

“This song is a tribute to Frank Ryan, Kit Conway and Dinny Coady too. Peter Daly, Charlie Regan and Hugh Bonar, Though many died I can but name a few.”

Frank Ryan gor sprung from prison in Spain with the connivance of Franco’s fascists in order to proceed to Germany where he spent the war working for the Nazis in their military intelligence operations. All in the cause of Irish republicanism, of course. . .

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14711 Eamonn McDonagh Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:57:16 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14711 @Diarmaid That Joe Dolan was from Galway? I didn't know. Excellent comment @Diarmaid That Joe Dolan was from Galway? I didn’t know. Excellent comment

]]> By: Diarmaid http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14710 Diarmaid Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:22:15 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14710 The 'Joe' that Moore refers to as the author of 'The Trip to Jerusalem' is Joe Dolan from Galway, one of the founders of the seminal 60s Irish folk band Sweeney's Men. Dolan had visited Israel before 1967. Early that year the band had its first chart hit in Ireland, but when the Six Day War broke out, Dolan announced that he was off to fight for Israel. The accepted story afterwards was that the war had ended by the time he reached the Middle East. He seems to have stayed on for several months, was replaced in the group and does not appear to have performed ever again. He died in 2008 at the age of 66. A co-founder with Dolan of Sweeney's Men, Andy Irvine, is among the 150 signatories of the new boycott call. Irvine is a pleasing musician with a few decent songs to his credit but has the irritating habit of interspersing his numbers on stage with spoken discourses on his political philosophy, which hasn't changed in 40 years and begins and ends with Woody Guthrie. A lovely example of why the political views of musicians need not be taken seriously. Moore, however, because of his popularity has done much more harm with his romanticisation of the 'armed struggle' in NI. He always managed to escape the censure visited on the much more musically crude Wolfe Tones (christened by some 'the musical wing of the IRA' but, like their weapons, since decommissioned). Eamonn is right about the obnoxious consistency he has shown over the years and it's no surprise that he's gone where most Sinn Feiners have gone to find new targets for their hate -- to bolster the ranks of the Palestinian Solidarity campaign. Irvine, Moore and another signatory, Donal Lunny, were all members of the hugely popular folk band Planxty in the 70s and 80s. The ‘Joe’ that Moore refers to as the author of ‘The Trip to Jerusalem’ is Joe Dolan from Galway, one of the founders of the seminal 60s Irish folk band Sweeney’s Men. Dolan had visited Israel before 1967. Early that year the band had its first chart hit in Ireland, but when the Six Day War broke out, Dolan announced that he was off to fight for Israel. The accepted story afterwards was that the war had ended by the time he reached the Middle East. He seems to have stayed on for several months, was replaced in the group and does not appear to have performed ever again. He died in 2008 at the age of 66.

A co-founder with Dolan of Sweeney’s Men, Andy Irvine, is among the 150 signatories of the new boycott call. Irvine is a pleasing musician with a few decent songs to his credit but has the irritating habit of interspersing his numbers on stage with spoken discourses on his political philosophy, which hasn’t changed in 40 years and begins and ends with Woody Guthrie. A lovely example of why the political views of musicians need not be taken seriously.

Moore, however, because of his popularity has done much more harm with his romanticisation of the ‘armed struggle’ in NI. He always managed to escape the censure visited on the much more musically crude Wolfe Tones (christened by some ‘the musical wing of the IRA’ but, like their weapons, since decommissioned). Eamonn is right about the obnoxious consistency he has shown over the years and it’s no surprise that he’s gone where most Sinn Feiners have gone to find new targets for their hate — to bolster the ranks of the Palestinian Solidarity campaign.

Irvine, Moore and another signatory, Donal Lunny, were all members of the hugely popular folk band Planxty in the 70s and 80s.

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14708 Eamonn McDonagh Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:44:23 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14708 @an fear beg. Thanks for pointing this out, very interesting indeed. @an fear beg. Thanks for pointing this out, very interesting indeed.

]]> By: An Fear Beg http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14706 An Fear Beg Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:57:06 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14706 Very interesting - Chrity dropped a whole verse from his site: http://www.mysongbook.de/msb/songs/t/triptoje.html "When the promised land came into sight The customs man gave me a fright How much money have you got with you Joe I bluffed and said fifty pounds or so He said, Shalom and I said, Good day Grabbed my gear got fast away Down to the desert then I went Digging up history living in a tent" Christie even said: "Joe went to fight in the Six Day War and wrote this song to prove he'd been there. Don't know if he ever got there. (Christy Moore Song Book 64)" To me - This song shows how popular Israel was with Christie & his social circle back in the 60-70s. I wonder how he would react if one of his children would decide to volunteer in a Kibbutz Very interesting - Chrity dropped a whole verse from his site:

http://www.mysongbook.de/msb/songs/t/triptoje.html

“When the promised land came into sight
The customs man gave me a fright
How much money have you got with you Joe
I bluffed and said fifty pounds or so
He said, Shalom and I said, Good day
Grabbed my gear got fast away
Down to the desert then I went
Digging up history living in a tent”

Christie even said: “Joe went to fight in the Six Day War and wrote this song to prove he’d been there. Don’t know if he ever got there. (Christy Moore Song Book 64)”

To me - This song shows how popular Israel was with Christie & his social circle back in the 60-70s.

I wonder how he would react if one of his children would decide to volunteer in a Kibbutz

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14694 Eamonn McDonagh Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:50:02 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14694 I don't see anything particularly pro-Israel about the song. http://www.christymoore.com/lyrics_detail.php?id=188 I don’t see anything particularly pro-Israel about the song.

http://www.christymoore.com/lyrics_detail.php?id=188

]]> By: An Fear Beg http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/a-noble-new-recruit-for-the-boycotters/#comment-14688 An Fear Beg Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:29:09 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1699#comment-14688 Will Christy give back the royalties he got for "A Trip to Jerusalem", from his great album "The Iron behind the Velvet" ? He was very pro Israeli in 1978... Will Christy give back the royalties he got for “A Trip to Jerusalem”, from his great album “The Iron behind the Velvet” ?
He was very pro Israeli in 1978…

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