Comments on: The Hezbo(ti)lla http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 24 May 2012 03:33:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: TNC http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-13228 TNC Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:27:17 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-13228 "If you can see that the Stern gang were terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination, how come you can’t see that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination?" Because he's a fucking clown, that's why. “If you can see that the Stern gang were terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination, how come you can’t see that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination?”

Because he’s a fucking clown, that’s why.

]]> By: BobFromBrockley http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12619 BobFromBrockley Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:42:17 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12619 Louis, your comment makes no sense. Having followed ZWord since it began, I can recall no positive mention of Irgun or Lehi. I personally think the Stern gang were terrorists and that Hamas are also terrorists. There's nothing particularly "Zionist" or "Orwellian" about not liking terrorists. How about if we ask the same question in reverse. If you can see that the Stern gang were terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination, how come you can't see that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination? Louis, your comment makes no sense. Having followed ZWord since it began, I can recall no positive mention of Irgun or Lehi. I personally think the Stern gang were terrorists and that Hamas are also terrorists. There’s nothing particularly “Zionist” or “Orwellian” about not liking terrorists.

How about if we ask the same question in reverse. If you can see that the Stern gang were terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination, how come you can’t see that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, not anti-imperialist freedom fighters working towards national self-determination?

]]> By: EricD http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12497 EricD Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:43:08 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12497 Just look at the rhetoric of the sponsor. Not even a peace agreement will be enough. Nothing will be enough. That is why Jews cannot relax, because of the underlying motivations. According to the Jerusalem Post: "Meanwhile, Yasser Kashlak, a Syrian businessman of Palestinian descent who heads the “Free Palestine Organization” and is funding this boat, as well as another that is to carry journalists and parliamentarians, said over the weekend on Hizbullah’s al-Manar television station that he was more and more optimistic that one day these same boats would take “Europe’s refuse [the Jews] that came to my homeland back to their homelands. “Gilad Schalit should go back to Paris and those murderers go back to Poland, and after that we will chase them until the ends of the earth to bring them to justice for their acts of slaughter from Deir Yassin until today.” Kashlak, a fervent Hizbullah supporter, called Israel a “rabid dog sent to the region to frighten the Arabs. He said he had a message for Israelis: ‘Get on the ships we are sending you and go back to your lands. Don’t let the moderate Arab leaders delude you, [you] cannot make peace with us. Our children will return to Palestine, you have no reason for coexistence. Even if our leaders will sign a peace agreement, we will not sign.’” He said the boat carrying journalists and parliamentarians will carry 12 former American diplomats as well.." As for Jewish terrorists, yeah, they existed. They fought back. Just remember that Jews were always the minority group and subjected to Arab persecution, discrimination and dhimmi way before, not to mention illegal wars of aggression. Has there been accountability for these violations of international law? Just look at the rhetoric of the sponsor. Not even a peace agreement will be enough. Nothing will be enough. That is why Jews cannot relax, because of the underlying motivations.

According to the Jerusalem Post:

“Meanwhile, Yasser Kashlak, a Syrian businessman of Palestinian descent who heads the “Free Palestine Organization” and is funding this boat, as well as another that is to carry journalists and parliamentarians, said over the weekend on Hizbullah’s al-Manar television station that he was more and more optimistic that one day these same boats would take “Europe’s refuse [the Jews] that came to my homeland back to their homelands.

“Gilad Schalit should go back to Paris and those murderers go back to Poland, and after that we will chase them until the ends of the earth to bring them to justice for their acts of slaughter from Deir Yassin until today.” Kashlak, a fervent Hizbullah supporter, called Israel a “rabid dog sent to the region to frighten the Arabs. He said he had a message for Israelis: ‘Get on the ships we are sending you and go back to your lands. Don’t let the moderate Arab leaders delude you, [you] cannot make peace with us. Our children will return to Palestine, you have no reason for coexistence. Even if our leaders will sign a peace agreement, we will not sign.’” He said the boat carrying journalists and parliamentarians will carry 12 former American diplomats as well..”

As for Jewish terrorists, yeah, they existed. They fought back. Just remember that Jews were always the minority group and subjected to Arab persecution, discrimination and dhimmi way before, not to mention illegal wars of aggression. Has there been accountability for these violations of international law?

]]> By: jdyer http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12459 jdyer Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:59:00 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12459 Louis Proyect “So you don’t like Hezbollah or Hamas because they are “terrorists”. What word would you use to describe the Irgun gang, I wonder?” Luis probably meant the Stern gang, an offshoot of the Irgun. In any case the Stern gang and sometimes the Irgun were described as terrorists by main stream Zionist organizations in the 1940’s. Are there main stream Islamic organizations who describe Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists? “I think the worst thing about Zionism is its Orwellian use of language.” I wouldn’t talk about “Orwellian language” if I were you, Louis. Your whole post is an amalgam of outright lies and ignorance. “Of course, I should add after land theft, ethnic cleansing and that sort of thing.” You can add what you like. Your comments are still a pack of lies. Ethnic cleansing is what the Arabs did to the Jews in the Arab world. There are more than a million Arabs living in Israel. This isn’t exactly a sign of ethnic cleansing. How many Jews are left in Iraq, or Egypt, or Yemen? So much for land theft and ethnic cleansing; so much for the use of “Orwellian language.” Louis Proyect “So you don’t like Hezbollah or Hamas because they are “terrorists”. What word would you use to describe the Irgun gang, I wonder?”

Luis probably meant the Stern gang, an offshoot of the Irgun. In any case the Stern gang and sometimes the Irgun were described as terrorists by main stream Zionist organizations in the 1940’s.

Are there main stream Islamic organizations who describe Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists?

“I think the worst thing about Zionism is its Orwellian use of language.”

I wouldn’t talk about “Orwellian language” if I were you, Louis. Your whole post is an amalgam of outright lies and ignorance.

“Of course, I should add after land theft, ethnic cleansing and that sort of thing.”

You can add what you like. Your comments are still a pack of lies. Ethnic cleansing is what the Arabs did to the Jews in the Arab world. There are more than a million Arabs living in Israel. This isn’t exactly a sign of ethnic cleansing. How many Jews are left in Iraq, or Egypt, or Yemen? So much for land theft and ethnic cleansing; so much for the use of “Orwellian language.”

]]> By: Nicholas Black http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12418 Nicholas Black Sat, 19 Jun 2010 00:50:54 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12418 Zionism is simply a term which describes self determination for Jews. The worst thing about those who oppose it is that they use the newspeak of human right and relativist ethics to ultimately try to equate a militant freedom fighting organisation with an organisation like Hizubulla dedicated to wholesale murder of Jews internationally. Zionism is simply a term which describes self determination for Jews. The worst thing about those who oppose it is that they use the newspeak of human right and relativist ethics to ultimately try to equate a militant freedom fighting organisation with an organisation like Hizubulla dedicated to wholesale murder of Jews internationally.

]]> By: Lhipenwhe http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12414 Lhipenwhe Sat, 19 Jun 2010 00:07:29 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12414 Instead of lacing your comment with accusatory tones and showing your already incredible bias towards the issue of Zionism, you could have, I don't know, just plain asked. Of course, that requires a open, calm, rational thought process. Instead of lacing your comment with accusatory tones and showing your already incredible bias towards the issue of Zionism, you could have, I don’t know, just plain asked.

Of course, that requires a open, calm, rational thought process.

]]> By: Louis Proyect http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/the-hezbotilla/#comment-12406 Louis Proyect Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:57:05 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1638#comment-12406 So you don't like Hezbollah or Hamas because they are "terrorists". What word would you use to describe the Irgun gang, I wonder? I think the worst thing about Zionism is its Orwellian use of language. Of course, I should add after land theft, ethnic cleansing and that sort of thing. So you don’t like Hezbollah or Hamas because they are “terrorists”. What word would you use to describe the Irgun gang, I wonder? I think the worst thing about Zionism is its Orwellian use of language. Of course, I should add after land theft, ethnic cleansing and that sort of thing.

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