Comments on: Shot In The Head On The Mavi Marmara http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 24 May 2012 03:28:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: Jordan http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-12015 Jordan Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:37:56 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-12015 An analogy to policing can be made. If an assailant is stabbing someone and you have two police officers, the they can probably restrain the assailant without resort to fire arms. If an assailant is stabbing someone and you have one police officer, he will probably attempt to non-fatally shoot the assailant. If you have a mob of violent assailants and one police officer (or a larger mob and a few police officers), the police officer will likely fatally shoot one of the assailants so that they all back off. This is the situation that happened here. If only a couple of the activists had been violent, the soldiers probably would have restrained them without resort to fire arms. If the situation was that there were only a few activists that the soldiers could shoot-to-injure all of them, that is probably what would have happened. However, there was a mass violent mob and as responsible police officers would do, they had to shoot to kill. An analogy to policing can be made.

If an assailant is stabbing someone and you have two police officers, the they can probably restrain the assailant without resort to fire arms.

If an assailant is stabbing someone and you have one police officer, he will probably attempt to non-fatally shoot the assailant.

If you have a mob of violent assailants and one police officer (or a larger mob and a few police officers), the police officer will likely fatally shoot one of the assailants so that they all back off.

This is the situation that happened here. If only a couple of the activists had been violent, the soldiers probably would have restrained them without resort to fire arms. If the situation was that there were only a few activists that the soldiers could shoot-to-injure all of them, that is probably what would have happened. However, there was a mass violent mob and as responsible police officers would do, they had to shoot to kill.

]]> By: Mailman http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-12000 Mailman Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:55:06 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-12000 Gazza, the ship was not attacked, it was boarded by the Israelis as it intended to run it's blockade and under international maritime law Israel was well within it's rights to do so. However, if you were to acknowledge this fact that would of course totally undermine your position, which of course is why the angry left ignores reality when it comes to Israel. Secondly, none of the dead would be dead today if they hadn't attempted to murder the boarding party. Regards mailman Gazza,

the ship was not attacked, it was boarded by the Israelis as it intended to run it’s blockade and under international maritime law Israel was well within it’s rights to do so.

However, if you were to acknowledge this fact that would of course totally undermine your position, which of course is why the angry left ignores reality when it comes to Israel.

Secondly, none of the dead would be dead today if they hadn’t attempted to murder the boarding party.

Regards

mailman

]]> By: gazza_turk http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11878 gazza_turk Tue, 08 Jun 2010 10:39:13 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11878 i don't think any human should be shot for any kind of reason. it was wrong for israil to attack a charity aid ship in the first place. also shooting innocent people & unarmed is out of order & completely wrong. if the unarmed people on the ship attacked against the soldiers that will be called self defence. israil will have to watch out now & will pay for the cause of death & the operation that was set up in the begining. what comes around goes around ISRAIL so bare that in mind....... i don’t think any human should be shot for any kind of reason. it was wrong for israil to attack a charity aid ship in the first place. also shooting innocent people & unarmed is out of order & completely wrong. if the unarmed people on the ship attacked against the soldiers that will be called self defence.
israil will have to watch out now & will pay for the cause of death & the operation that was set up in the begining. what comes around goes around ISRAIL so bare that in mind…….

]]> By: Harvey http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11752 Harvey Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:19:22 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11752 These are elite forces not the keystone cops . Two to the head one to the chest is standard training . Thirty bullets, nine dead is pretty is not to be unexpected as events panned out . The Turks were on a Shaheed mission which in this case meant few or no firearms .The object was to take as many commandos down by other means in order to allow the flotilla a propoganda scoop and the moral highground. Its likely that most of the European activists would have been unaware of this little finesse prior to the rumble in order to avoid the handwringing amongst the few dedicated pacifists on board. In the Times today ,one of the activists speaks of injured soldiers carried downstairs having had their guns taken from them . They were stripped to their underwear . It is patently obvious from this that the idea was to some sort of trade off in order to reach Gaza . Of course once they had docked there would have been no trade off ,only 3 more Gilad Shalits . The commandos adapted well to the unexpectedly hostile terrain and recovered well after the initial surprise . People will believe what they want to hear . The truth is with the commandos and the IDF and will stay that way. My condemnation is reserved for the so called peace activists whose hatred for Israel is so all consuming that it allows them to maintain their farrago of lies and subterfuge in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. These are elite forces not the keystone cops . Two to the head one to the chest is standard training . Thirty bullets, nine dead is pretty is not to be unexpected as events panned out . The Turks were on a Shaheed mission which in this case meant few or no firearms .The object was to take as many commandos down by other means in order to allow the flotilla a propoganda scoop and the moral highground. Its likely that most of the European activists would have been unaware of this little finesse prior to the rumble in order to avoid the handwringing amongst the few dedicated pacifists on board.

In the Times today ,one of the activists speaks of injured soldiers carried downstairs having had their guns taken from them . They were stripped to their underwear . It is patently obvious from this that the idea was to some sort of trade off in order to reach Gaza . Of course once they had docked there would have been no trade off ,only 3 more Gilad Shalits .

The commandos adapted well to the unexpectedly hostile terrain and recovered well after the initial surprise . People will believe what they want to hear . The truth is with the commandos and the IDF and will stay that way.

My condemnation is reserved for the so called peace activists whose hatred for Israel is so all consuming that it allows them to maintain their farrago of lies and subterfuge in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

]]> By: Itai http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11751 Itai Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:16:21 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11751 They may very well have been shot in the chest in addition to being shot in the head, based on the ceramic body armor the "peace activists" were using which was subsequently recovered by the IDF. Strange (albeit predictable) obsession on the Guardian's part nonetheless. They may very well have been shot in the chest in addition to being shot in the head, based on the ceramic body armor the “peace activists” were using which was subsequently recovered by the IDF. Strange (albeit predictable) obsession on the Guardian’s part nonetheless.

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]]> By: Rebecca http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11748 Rebecca Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:07:13 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11748 Of course. And people can certainly make mistakes in what part of the body they target. If I were to attack armed soldiers or police, I certainly would expect to be attacked in turn with live fire. Of course. And people can certainly make mistakes in what part of the body they target. If I were to attack armed soldiers or police, I certainly would expect to be attacked in turn with live fire.

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11725 Eamonn McDonagh Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:26:57 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11725 True, but even in that case there is still a considerable risk to life, something that ought to be kept in mind by anyone who issues or acts on such an order. True, but even in that case there is still a considerable risk to life, something that ought to be kept in mind by anyone who issues or acts on such an order.

]]> By: Rebecca http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/shot-in-the-head-on-the-mavi-marmara/#comment-11723 Rebecca Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:21:26 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1603#comment-11723 While I agree with you for the most part, sometimes soldiers or police are given orders to shoot at parts of the body where a wound would not necessarily be fatal (for example, the lower legs). While I agree with you for the most part, sometimes soldiers or police are given orders to shoot at parts of the body where a wound would not necessarily be fatal (for example, the lower legs).

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