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	<title>Comments on: Accusation That Flotilla &#8220;Auschwitz&#8221; Exchange Was Faked Exposed As, errr, Fake</title>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Telling you to go back to Aushwitz is one way of saying “go away”. Do they need to monitor their words so as to be politically correct from your point of view. Really!!"

Oh. My. God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Telling you to go back to Aushwitz is one way of saying “go away”. Do they need to monitor their words so as to be politically correct from your point of view. Really!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh. My. God.</p>
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		<title>By: Salem Katsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salem Katsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not intend for my comment to be published. It was directed to the organization. Pls do not publish.</description>
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		<title>By: Salem Katsh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/accusations-that-flotilla-auschwitz-exchange-was-faked-exposed-as-errr-fake/#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>Salem Katsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not "bad" people. They are angry and want very different things from you. They want Israel gone. That desire certainly is not a sin.  Telling you to go back to Aushwitz is one way of saying "go away".  Do they need to monitor their words so as to be politically correct from your point of view. Really!!

They are doing nothing Jabotinsky would disagree with philosophically. I have heard many, many Israelis express little remorse or guilt for Arab deaths. And, yes, Israel has committed atrocities.  So what?  All nations do when they have their backs to the wall.  You scream anti-semitism but you confuse politics with race hatred. Anti-semitism was rooted in old Church dogma and the misguided desire of Germans and others to achieve racial purity. Anti-semitism does not mean that someone does not like Jews or Israel.  Many people say they don't like the Irish or Italians--yes, or the Arabs. But wanting what others have, or being jealous of others, or wanting them to go away, is not racial hatred.  When you call anyone who says a bad word about Israel an anti-semite, you display ignorance and you embarrass us all.  And you actually prevent the public from being able to understand and appreciate the unique aspects of the persecution against the Jewish people for many hundreds of years.  

Our synagogues, many of them, are filled with hateful, venomous sermonizing--much like what your organizations spews forth on a daily basis.  Who cares that the medicine is out of date?  What's the point? Is it necessary to nickel and dime every issue, thus at once disclosing that you are an enemy of the arabs--that you want them to go away no less than they want you to go.  In this way, you undermine your credibility and divorce yourself from the moral authority which defines what is good in Judaism and which represented, as Ben Gurion emphasized over and over again, the reason for and promise of the State of Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not &#8220;bad&#8221; people. They are angry and want very different things from you. They want Israel gone. That desire certainly is not a sin.  Telling you to go back to Aushwitz is one way of saying &#8220;go away&#8221;.  Do they need to monitor their words so as to be politically correct from your point of view. Really!!</p>
<p>They are doing nothing Jabotinsky would disagree with philosophically. I have heard many, many Israelis express little remorse or guilt for Arab deaths. And, yes, Israel has committed atrocities.  So what?  All nations do when they have their backs to the wall.  You scream anti-semitism but you confuse politics with race hatred. Anti-semitism was rooted in old Church dogma and the misguided desire of Germans and others to achieve racial purity. Anti-semitism does not mean that someone does not like Jews or Israel.  Many people say they don&#8217;t like the Irish or Italians&#8211;yes, or the Arabs. But wanting what others have, or being jealous of others, or wanting them to go away, is not racial hatred.  When you call anyone who says a bad word about Israel an anti-semite, you display ignorance and you embarrass us all.  And you actually prevent the public from being able to understand and appreciate the unique aspects of the persecution against the Jewish people for many hundreds of years.  </p>
<p>Our synagogues, many of them, are filled with hateful, venomous sermonizing&#8211;much like what your organizations spews forth on a daily basis.  Who cares that the medicine is out of date?  What&#8217;s the point? Is it necessary to nickel and dime every issue, thus at once disclosing that you are an enemy of the arabs&#8211;that you want them to go away no less than they want you to go.  In this way, you undermine your credibility and divorce yourself from the moral authority which defines what is good in Judaism and which represented, as Ben Gurion emphasized over and over again, the reason for and promise of the State of Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: Pro-Flotilla Rally: &#8220;Hitler, We Need You&#8221; at Z-Word Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/06/accusations-that-flotilla-auschwitz-exchange-was-faked-exposed-as-errr-fake/#comment-11848</link>
		<dc:creator>Pro-Flotilla Rally: &#8220;Hitler, We Need You&#8221; at Z-Word Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How long before the flotillistas and their cheerleaders claim this image was faked? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] How long before the flotillistas and their cheerleaders claim this image was faked? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ericg: fyi, this is a blog written by two people, both of whom have lots of other stuff to do. It is not a newspaper - still less the NYT - with the obligations that status entails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ericg: fyi, this is a blog written by two people, both of whom have lots of other stuff to do. It is not a newspaper - still less the NYT - with the obligations that status entails.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Ganselmi,

I don't quarrel with your assertion that lies and conspiracy theories have to be exposed, and this site does a good job of that.

I just feel that an enormous number of keystrokes are dedicated to that project, which, while useful and important, is sort of like "fiddling while Rome burns."

Today's NY Times (yes, I know some find the Times to be loathsome), contains three columns which, in my humble opinion, are at least as important as exposing a falsehood by Blumenthal: "What to Do About Israel?" by Helene Cooper, "The Ballgame and the Sideshow" by Tom Friedman, and "Chosen but Not Special" by Michael Chabon. 

Our culture, for better or worse, has moved on beyond the specific events of last week. Yes, Israel is left with the detritus of the botched attempt, but it has tools in its toolbox (such as the deft handling of the Rachel Corrie), which can help alleviate the public relations disaster.

But those cultural issues remain, and they are far more serious to the State of Israel than Max Blumenthal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Ganselmi,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quarrel with your assertion that lies and conspiracy theories have to be exposed, and this site does a good job of that.</p>
<p>I just feel that an enormous number of keystrokes are dedicated to that project, which, while useful and important, is sort of like &#8220;fiddling while Rome burns.&#8221;</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s NY Times (yes, I know some find the Times to be loathsome), contains three columns which, in my humble opinion, are at least as important as exposing a falsehood by Blumenthal: &#8220;What to Do About Israel?&#8221; by Helene Cooper, &#8220;The Ballgame and the Sideshow&#8221; by Tom Friedman, and &#8220;Chosen but Not Special&#8221; by Michael Chabon. </p>
<p>Our culture, for better or worse, has moved on beyond the specific events of last week. Yes, Israel is left with the detritus of the botched attempt, but it has tools in its toolbox (such as the deft handling of the Rachel Corrie), which can help alleviate the public relations disaster.</p>
<p>But those cultural issues remain, and they are far more serious to the State of Israel than Max Blumenthal.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, where is Blumenthal? He seems to have disappeared into thin air since the full recording was released!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, where is Blumenthal? He seems to have disappeared into thin air since the full recording was released!</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Lies and defamation and bizarre conspiracy theories have to be exposed. Your complaints are misplaced. Having read a great deal of the coverage of the incident, this is the pattern that emerges:

1. Incident happens. Nine unfortunate deaths - arguably stemming from tactical miscalculations and clumsiness on the IDF's part.

2. The anti-Israel movement springs to action and accuses Israel of "murder," "massacre," "international piracy," etc. etc. committed against peaceful humanitarians.

3. Footage and other evidence comes out that seriously undermines this anti-Israel narrative. The flotillistas and their supporters are caught in their own lies.

4. They respond by making even more irrational and outrageous claims, such as Blumenthal's suggestion that the footage and recordings were doctored by Israel.

5. When these further lies are discredited, the anti-Israel crowd -- rather than confront its own mendacity -- throws its hands in the air, and asks: "Oh whatever happened, isn't this really about the blockade of Gaza? Isn't that the real issue?"

Not that the substantive debate doesn't matter. But if that debate is to be a fruitful one, the parties have to speak and act in good faith. The Max Blumenthals of this world hinder productive debate because they distort the factual record. That's why it's important to point out their lies first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Lies and defamation and bizarre conspiracy theories have to be exposed. Your complaints are misplaced. Having read a great deal of the coverage of the incident, this is the pattern that emerges:</p>
<p>1. Incident happens. Nine unfortunate deaths - arguably stemming from tactical miscalculations and clumsiness on the IDF&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>2. The anti-Israel movement springs to action and accuses Israel of &#8220;murder,&#8221; &#8220;massacre,&#8221; &#8220;international piracy,&#8221; etc. etc. committed against peaceful humanitarians.</p>
<p>3. Footage and other evidence comes out that seriously undermines this anti-Israel narrative. The flotillistas and their supporters are caught in their own lies.</p>
<p>4. They respond by making even more irrational and outrageous claims, such as Blumenthal&#8217;s suggestion that the footage and recordings were doctored by Israel.</p>
<p>5. When these further lies are discredited, the anti-Israel crowd &#8212; rather than confront its own mendacity &#8212; throws its hands in the air, and asks: &#8220;Oh whatever happened, isn&#8217;t this really about the blockade of Gaza? Isn&#8217;t that the real issue?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that the substantive debate doesn&#8217;t matter. But if that debate is to be a fruitful one, the parties have to speak and act in good faith. The Max Blumenthals of this world hinder productive debate because they distort the factual record. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to point out their lies first.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, if you want an honest discussion about a political settlement - and who wouldn't? - then you have to expose the lies of people like Blumenthal. Accusing the IDF of fabricating this audio is not a minor irrelevance - it directly feeds the antisemitic conspiracy theories which prevail in the Arab and Muslim worlds ("look, an AMERICAN JEW is saying it, it must be true!")
Lorri, your caution is understandable. But this was a recording from an open shipping radio channel, which accounts for its rather odd sound, and Blumenthal and co. have yet to provide any actual evidence that Israeli impersonators recorded these lines and then inserted them into the final edit. 
I think we are facing a harsh truth which many people will find difficult to stomach: that there were people on this flotilla who hold Nazi views about Jews. And as Helen Thomas proved this week - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899361,00.html - all too often there is something more sinister underlying visceral hatred of Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, if you want an honest discussion about a political settlement - and who wouldn&#8217;t? - then you have to expose the lies of people like Blumenthal. Accusing the IDF of fabricating this audio is not a minor irrelevance - it directly feeds the antisemitic conspiracy theories which prevail in the Arab and Muslim worlds (&#8221;look, an AMERICAN JEW is saying it, it must be true!&#8221;)<br />
Lorri, your caution is understandable. But this was a recording from an open shipping radio channel, which accounts for its rather odd sound, and Blumenthal and co. have yet to provide any actual evidence that Israeli impersonators recorded these lines and then inserted them into the final edit.<br />
I think we are facing a harsh truth which many people will find difficult to stomach: that there were people on this flotilla who hold Nazi views about Jews. And as Helen Thomas proved this week - <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899361,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899361,00.html</a> - all too often there is something more sinister underlying visceral hatred of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no fan of Max Blumenthal, but I still have to say that my reaction was the same as his to this one.  A hypothetical scenario:  Seeing that world opinion is unfortunately favoring the flotilla of fools, and feeling a huge amount of justifiable frustration over that fact, someone decides to put together a recording that might help sway that opinion the other way.  I'm not saying I'm convinced of this, but the voices making the inflammatory comments do have a staged sound to them.  btw, I've been making a living for 20 years in a job that requires me to listen to people's voices in a lying/truth-telling context, which doesn't make me an expert but may contribute to my skepticism.  To Eric, I don't think this is trivial, because if the audio is faked, or many people believe it to be fake, then it casts doubt on the rest of the evidence presented by the IDF.  Of course, the videos are very convincing and authentic, so I hope the audio in itself won't outweigh the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no fan of Max Blumenthal, but I still have to say that my reaction was the same as his to this one.  A hypothetical scenario:  Seeing that world opinion is unfortunately favoring the flotilla of fools, and feeling a huge amount of justifiable frustration over that fact, someone decides to put together a recording that might help sway that opinion the other way.  I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m convinced of this, but the voices making the inflammatory comments do have a staged sound to them.  btw, I&#8217;ve been making a living for 20 years in a job that requires me to listen to people&#8217;s voices in a lying/truth-telling context, which doesn&#8217;t make me an expert but may contribute to my skepticism.  To Eric, I don&#8217;t think this is trivial, because if the audio is faked, or many people believe it to be fake, then it casts doubt on the rest of the evidence presented by the IDF.  Of course, the videos are very convincing and authentic, so I hope the audio in itself won&#8217;t outweigh the rest.</p>
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