Comments on: Flotillista Knife Attack on IDF Soldier http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Wed, 23 May 2012 21:27:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: Eric Geller http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11482 Eric Geller Mon, 31 May 2010 22:29:34 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11482 I don't know the alternatives the Israelis had, but I stand by my comment that this was a fiasco. I will go further: it was an unmitigated disaster, not for American Jews but for Israel. I don’t know the alternatives the Israelis had, but I stand by my comment that this was a fiasco. I will go further: it was an unmitigated disaster, not for American Jews but for Israel.

]]> By: Ben Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11479 Ben Cohen Mon, 31 May 2010 22:10:13 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11479 Eric, it seems that for you as for J-Street, calling yourself "pro-Israel" while bashing Israel at every opportunity you get is credible and logical. It ain't. Israel was engaged in self-defense against the violent supporters of a terrorist organization sworn to its destruction. If you can find a moment when you're not agonizing over these young liberal Jews for whom the legitimate and moderate use of force is apparently so alienating, perhaps you might explain to us what you think Israel should, you know, have done. Eric, it seems that for you as for J-Street, calling yourself “pro-Israel” while bashing Israel at every opportunity you get is credible and logical. It ain’t. Israel was engaged in self-defense against the violent supporters of a terrorist organization sworn to its destruction. If you can find a moment when you’re not agonizing over these young liberal Jews for whom the legitimate and moderate use of force is apparently so alienating, perhaps you might explain to us what you think Israel should, you know, have done.

]]> By: Eric Geller http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11478 Eric Geller Mon, 31 May 2010 21:50:45 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11478 I believe that one can be pro-Israel and also be critical of some actions of Israel such as this fiasco. I believe that one can be pro-Israel and also be critical of some actions of Israel such as this fiasco.

]]> By: Noga http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11471 Noga Mon, 31 May 2010 21:04:56 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11471 "fyi, I am very much pro-Israel," The definition of being pro-Israeli is no longer a clear one, after J-street's re-formulation of what "pro-Israelism" is. And the tone and substance of your comments suggest a j-streetarian inclination. BTW, if you have such a cavalier approach to the importance of truth, you cannot be overly concerned over justice. If there is no truth, or no importance to truth, then there is no justice, or justice does not matter. “fyi, I am very much pro-Israel,”

The definition of being pro-Israeli is no longer a clear one, after J-street’s re-formulation of what “pro-Israelism” is. And the tone and substance of your comments suggest a j-streetarian inclination.

BTW, if you have such a cavalier approach to the importance of truth, you cannot be overly concerned over justice. If there is no truth, or no importance to truth, then there is no justice, or justice does not matter.

]]> By: Eric G. http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11423 Eric G. Mon, 31 May 2010 15:25:33 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11423 J Arnon: linking to a CNN piece which is captioned "Israeli military gives version of flotilla incident" is not evidence of truth. fyi, I am very much pro-Israel, and my views about the growing chasm between Diaspora Jewry and Israel are my own, not Beinart's. J Arnon: linking to a CNN piece which is captioned “Israeli military gives version of flotilla incident” is not evidence of truth.

fyi, I am very much pro-Israel, and my views about the growing chasm between Diaspora Jewry and Israel are my own, not Beinart’s.

]]> By: J Arnon http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11421 J Arnon Mon, 31 May 2010 14:56:07 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11421 Eric G. “Whatever the truth of what at 9:56 am happened here, this is just one more nail in the coffin of emotional affinity between large segments of American Jewish thought (especially the young) and Israel.” “Whatever the truth?” In other words to Eric it doesn’t matter what the truth is. To most in the Jewish community, “including the young,” the truth matters a great deal. What happens shows the violent and extremist nature of those who participated in the pro Hamas flotilla. Btw: you can always tell an anti-Israel activist by the way the repeat phrases that they consider anti-Israel. Eric borrowed a phrase from Beinart’s article which is supposed to show that Young American Jews are alienated from Israel. It turns out that that is far from true: “Wrong Numbers: Peter Beinart’s argument about Israel and liberal American Jews is built on misread data” By Theodore Sasson and Leonard Saxe http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/34533/wrong-numbers/print/ In any case, the truth is what matters and in this incident the pro Hamas flotilla activists attacked the Israeli soldiers who boarded the ships. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.flotilla.israeli.raid/ Eric G. “Whatever the truth of what at 9:56 am happened here, this is just one more nail in the coffin of emotional affinity between large segments of American Jewish thought (especially the young) and Israel.”

“Whatever the truth?” In other words to Eric it doesn’t matter what the truth is. To most in the Jewish community, “including the young,” the truth matters a great deal. What happens shows the violent and extremist nature of those who participated in the pro Hamas flotilla.

Btw: you can always tell an anti-Israel activist by the way the repeat phrases that they consider anti-Israel. Eric borrowed a phrase from Beinart’s article which is supposed to show that Young American Jews are alienated from Israel. It turns out that that is far from true:

“Wrong Numbers: Peter Beinart’s argument about Israel and liberal American Jews is built on misread data” By Theodore Sasson and Leonard Saxe

http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/34533/wrong-numbers/print/

In any case, the truth is what matters and in this incident the pro Hamas flotilla activists attacked the Israeli soldiers who boarded the ships.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.flotilla.israeli.raid/

]]> By: Eric G. http://blog.z-word.com/2010/05/flotillista-knife-attack-on-idf-soldier/#comment-11419 Eric G. Mon, 31 May 2010 13:56:11 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1588#comment-11419 Whatever the truth of what happened here, this is just one more nail in the coffin of emotional affinity between large segments of American Jewish thought (especially the young) and Israel. Whatever the truth of what happened here, this is just one more nail in the coffin of emotional affinity between large segments of American Jewish thought (especially the young) and Israel.

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