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		<title>By: Eating Out in Gaza at Z-Word Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-11295</link>
		<dc:creator>Eating Out in Gaza at Z-Word Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Gaza is a modern day Warsaw Ghetto might want to check these figures. As I&#8217;ve said before, if these numbers are fabricated, prove [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] that Gaza is a modern day Warsaw Ghetto might want to check these figures. As I&#8217;ve said before, if these numbers are fabricated, prove [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Richter</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10551</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Marshall-Andrews recently attended a meeting of the Palestinian Return Centre (PRC) and the Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East at Westminster.  The PRC are Hamas supporters. Other Labour politicians who spoke include Lord Ahmed, Jeremy Corbyn, Gerald Kaufman and Martin Linton. This helps explain the anti-Semitic piece written by Marshall-Andrews.
	Bob Marshall-Andrews is an  example of the rise of  “New Anti-Semitism”.  This is conscious politics not uninformed bigotry.  We saw it as early as 1975 when the United Nations passed a criminal resolution equating Zionism with racism.  
	Anti-Jewish sentiment is entering the mainstream. The “New anti-Semitism” includes among other things:
(1)Applying double standards to Israel; 
(2)Using the symbols and images associated with  classic anti-Semitism to characterize Israel or Israelis;
(3)Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
	The U.S. State Department has provided an analysis of its sources some of which are: 
(1)Traditional centuries-old European anti-Jewish prejudice
(2)Muslim anti-Semitism based on age-old hatred of Jews, as well as Muslim opposition to Israel and American policies. 
(3)Anti-American and anti-globalist anger that spills over to Israel, and to Jews.
	Anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist ideologies mesh well with left wing, anti capitalist, anti- imperialist, anti-Western, anti-American, and anti-war ideologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Marshall-Andrews recently attended a meeting of the Palestinian Return Centre (PRC) and the Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East at Westminster.  The PRC are Hamas supporters. Other Labour politicians who spoke include Lord Ahmed, Jeremy Corbyn, Gerald Kaufman and Martin Linton. This helps explain the anti-Semitic piece written by Marshall-Andrews.<br />
	Bob Marshall-Andrews is an  example of the rise of  “New Anti-Semitism”.  This is conscious politics not uninformed bigotry.  We saw it as early as 1975 when the United Nations passed a criminal resolution equating Zionism with racism.<br />
	Anti-Jewish sentiment is entering the mainstream. The “New anti-Semitism” includes among other things:<br />
(1)Applying double standards to Israel;<br />
(2)Using the symbols and images associated with  classic anti-Semitism to characterize Israel or Israelis;<br />
(3)Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.<br />
	The U.S. State Department has provided an analysis of its sources some of which are:<br />
(1)Traditional centuries-old European anti-Jewish prejudice<br />
(2)Muslim anti-Semitism based on age-old hatred of Jews, as well as Muslim opposition to Israel and American policies.<br />
(3)Anti-American and anti-globalist anger that spills over to Israel, and to Jews.<br />
	Anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist ideologies mesh well with left wing, anti capitalist, anti- imperialist, anti-Western, anti-American, and anti-war ideologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10308</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points: (1) this piece does in fact gloss over the full extent of the blockade. The evidence is too big to ignore at this point, which can only leave the possibility, or should I say probability, of deliberate deception, perhaps denial.

(2) It is an allusion to antisemitism to identify the perpetrator of Gazan suffering as "grinning ringletted" IDF soldiers, i.e. Jews. I don't believe it is prima facie evidence of antisemitic hatred but it does conjure up the old images. However an important point has to be entered somewhere in the above text that the religious units in the Zahal (that is the Hebrew term for the army) were likely guilty of the worst atrocities, as was discovered in subsequent investigations, mostly by the army itself.

Disclosure: I'm currently living in Tel Aviv, I'm Jewish (and American), and I was horrified by what the state of Israel did during "Cast Lead," and ashamed. That all said it is very easy to slip from legitimate critique to something sinister. It's important to watch out for that, but not hysterically tar any and all critics as automatic Jew-haters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points: (1) this piece does in fact gloss over the full extent of the blockade. The evidence is too big to ignore at this point, which can only leave the possibility, or should I say probability, of deliberate deception, perhaps denial.</p>
<p>(2) It is an allusion to antisemitism to identify the perpetrator of Gazan suffering as &#8220;grinning ringletted&#8221; IDF soldiers, i.e. Jews. I don&#8217;t believe it is prima facie evidence of antisemitic hatred but it does conjure up the old images. However an important point has to be entered somewhere in the above text that the religious units in the Zahal (that is the Hebrew term for the army) were likely guilty of the worst atrocities, as was discovered in subsequent investigations, mostly by the army itself.</p>
<p>Disclosure: I&#8217;m currently living in Tel Aviv, I&#8217;m Jewish (and American), and I was horrified by what the state of Israel did during &#8220;Cast Lead,&#8221; and ashamed. That all said it is very easy to slip from legitimate critique to something sinister. It&#8217;s important to watch out for that, but not hysterically tar any and all critics as automatic Jew-haters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Naqba</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10277</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Naqba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem of anti-Semitism continues ad infinitum.  As it's no longer politically correct to openly admit you hate Jews, hating Israel has become the latest trend.  And certainly the Palestinians have always found a friend in the Left, which extolls victimhood even as the Palestinians embrace it. 

And the Brits - a rather nasty and ill-bred people to begin with, for the most part - have embraced anti-Semitism openly for centuries.   

All Marshall-Andrews manages to accomplish with his Jew-hating ranting is to further remind the global Jewish community that our survival as a people is absolutely dependent on Israel's survival as the only Jewish nation in the world, and we will defend her with everything we have.  We know the score all too well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem of anti-Semitism continues ad infinitum.  As it&#8217;s no longer politically correct to openly admit you hate Jews, hating Israel has become the latest trend.  And certainly the Palestinians have always found a friend in the Left, which extolls victimhood even as the Palestinians embrace it. </p>
<p>And the Brits - a rather nasty and ill-bred people to begin with, for the most part - have embraced anti-Semitism openly for centuries.   </p>
<p>All Marshall-Andrews manages to accomplish with his Jew-hating ranting is to further remind the global Jewish community that our survival as a people is absolutely dependent on Israel&#8217;s survival as the only Jewish nation in the world, and we will defend her with everything we have.  We know the score all too well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cohen</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10267</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abracadabra, I'm going to be generous here and assume that you didn't see the image above, because I just realized that - for some weird techie reason I can't fathom - for much of the day, the file name rather than the picture has appeared on this page. Apologies to all for that. Have a look again and then tell me that the ringlets remark ain't antisemitic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abracadabra, I&#8217;m going to be generous here and assume that you didn&#8217;t see the image above, because I just realized that - for some weird techie reason I can&#8217;t fathom - for much of the day, the file name rather than the picture has appeared on this page. Apologies to all for that. Have a look again and then tell me that the ringlets remark ain&#8217;t antisemitic.</p>
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		<title>By: Abracadabra</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10251</link>
		<dc:creator>Abracadabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And isn't it a little, erm, disproportionate to equate “Bags of cement are slit open by grinning ringletted guards" with a Nazi propaganda leaflet? 

@ Winston Pickett: I can tell you that most British Jews think that this kind of article is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And isn&#8217;t it a little, erm, disproportionate to equate “Bags of cement are slit open by grinning ringletted guards&#8221; with a Nazi propaganda leaflet? </p>
<p>@ Winston Pickett: I can tell you that most British Jews think that this kind of article is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Abracadabra</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10249</link>
		<dc:creator>Abracadabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it anti-semitic to say that the guards are ringletted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it anti-semitic to say that the guards are ringletted?</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Pickett</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10248</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Pickett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb piece of research and an excellent deconstruction of the antisemitic tropes at work. Now let's see if the London-based Jewish Chronicle picks this up and runs with it. More importantly, let's see what the UK Jewish community plans to DO about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb piece of research and an excellent deconstruction of the antisemitic tropes at work. Now let&#8217;s see if the London-based Jewish Chronicle picks this up and runs with it. More importantly, let&#8217;s see what the UK Jewish community plans to DO about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Thorton</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10244</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Thorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben writes:

"Then he goes on to talk about the devastation visited upon Gaza. He describes a scene of apocalypse, in which a population living in the shadows of bombed sewage plants, cowed by chronic shortages of basic foodstuffs, somehow survives."

One must admit that this is actually pretty accurate.  Here is a BBC report on the devastation in the wake of the attacks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7836869.stm

Israel has prevented the Gazans from rebuilding, this is a major issue in the wake of the destruction.  You gloss over it in this point:

"Those tempted to believe it should question the credentials of a man who, a few paragraphs earlier, confesses that he has “little experience of extensive war damage in civilian areas.”"

But this is a major distinguisher.  Because of the blockade, the Gazans have had significant trouble rebuilding in the wake of the attacks.  Here is a report where the UN and numerous aid agencies ask Israel to end the blockade:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=31174&#38;Cr=gaza&#38;Cr1

You seem to think that if the Gazans get enough food to eat, then they live in an enviable position.  But the blockade is an economic strangle and it is preventing people from rising about subsistance.  You seem to justify this.  You are aware that in Gazan the statistics are this:

"A report by the UN Development Programme finds that 65% of Gazans live below the income poverty line and 37% live in extreme poverty. Sixty-six per cent of the unemployed are extremely poor - compared to 56% before the recent Gaza conflict."

http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/71409.html

Keeping up the blockade ensures that Gazans live in poverty.  That isn't a health environment for anyone.

I think that your claims of anti-semitism would have more legitimacy if you weren't dishonest about the actual situation in Gazan.  You post seems to be partly about pretending the situation in Gaza isn't as bad as it truly is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Then he goes on to talk about the devastation visited upon Gaza. He describes a scene of apocalypse, in which a population living in the shadows of bombed sewage plants, cowed by chronic shortages of basic foodstuffs, somehow survives.&#8221;</p>
<p>One must admit that this is actually pretty accurate.  Here is a BBC report on the devastation in the wake of the attacks:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7836869.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7836869.stm</a></p>
<p>Israel has prevented the Gazans from rebuilding, this is a major issue in the wake of the destruction.  You gloss over it in this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;Those tempted to believe it should question the credentials of a man who, a few paragraphs earlier, confesses that he has “little experience of extensive war damage in civilian areas.”&#8221;</p>
<p>But this is a major distinguisher.  Because of the blockade, the Gazans have had significant trouble rebuilding in the wake of the attacks.  Here is a report where the UN and numerous aid agencies ask Israel to end the blockade:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=31174&amp;Cr=gaza&amp;Cr1" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=31174&amp;Cr=gaza&amp;Cr1</a></p>
<p>You seem to think that if the Gazans get enough food to eat, then they live in an enviable position.  But the blockade is an economic strangle and it is preventing people from rising about subsistance.  You seem to justify this.  You are aware that in Gazan the statistics are this:</p>
<p>&#8220;A report by the UN Development Programme finds that 65% of Gazans live below the income poverty line and 37% live in extreme poverty. Sixty-six per cent of the unemployed are extremely poor - compared to 56% before the recent Gaza conflict.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/71409.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/71409.html</a></p>
<p>Keeping up the blockade ensures that Gazans live in poverty.  That isn&#8217;t a health environment for anyone.</p>
<p>I think that your claims of anti-semitism would have more legitimacy if you weren&#8217;t dishonest about the actual situation in Gazan.  You post seems to be partly about pretending the situation in Gaza isn&#8217;t as bad as it truly is.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mendelsohn</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2010/03/lying-in-gaza/#comment-10243</link>
		<dc:creator>James Mendelsohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thanks Ben &#38; habibi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thanks Ben &amp; habibi</p>
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