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	<title>Comments on: NTNU Boycott Campaign: Will They or Won&#8217;t They?</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Cohen</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7937</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, keep debating. but do it on this post: http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-rejects-boycott/


Let's not have two different threads discussing the same thing. This is a rare example of a decent debate in the Z Word comments - so let's ensure our readers benefit from it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, keep debating. but do it on this post: <a href="http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-rejects-boycott/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-rejects-boycott/</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not have two different threads discussing the same thing. This is a rare example of a decent debate in the Z Word comments - so let&#8217;s ensure our readers benefit from it!</p>
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		<title>By: E. S.</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7935</link>
		<dc:creator>E. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned earlier in another thread. Several attempts to start a boycott of US products and Universities with links to the armaments industry in the US have been proposed at the Universities of Oslo and Bergen,  neither got reached the board,  but in Oslo all student community shops and kiosks are to supply a non-US choice for their products.  (I.e. Fair-Trade Ubuntu Cola along side Coca Cola, Japanese computers along side American etc.

The National Student Union also have passed resolutions against Burma, Indonesia, China and Bielo-Russia.  And student-owned/controlled traveling agencies do not sell trips to the former.   Israel is waaay down the list of nations for most Norwegians, including the majority of the student populous. In fact, as I mentioned on my Blog,  when I was the Leader of the Student welfare council in Trondheim, we, the students, _removed_ an older boycott on Israeli foodstuffs in student owned businesses. As we felt it was something each individual should be allowed to decide for him self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned earlier in another thread. Several attempts to start a boycott of US products and Universities with links to the armaments industry in the US have been proposed at the Universities of Oslo and Bergen,  neither got reached the board,  but in Oslo all student community shops and kiosks are to supply a non-US choice for their products.  (I.e. Fair-Trade Ubuntu Cola along side Coca Cola, Japanese computers along side American etc.</p>
<p>The National Student Union also have passed resolutions against Burma, Indonesia, China and Bielo-Russia.  And student-owned/controlled traveling agencies do not sell trips to the former.   Israel is waaay down the list of nations for most Norwegians, including the majority of the student populous. In fact, as I mentioned on my Blog,  when I was the Leader of the Student welfare council in Trondheim, we, the students, _removed_ an older boycott on Israeli foodstuffs in student owned businesses. As we felt it was something each individual should be allowed to decide for him self.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7929</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me E.S., I just got back from a screening of Bresson's "Pickpocket" and an amazing brunch. Now here goes...

Your answer was still an evasion, so I will reword: why won't the specific proponents of these boycotts (and yes, they are pretty much a cohesive movement and group) ever propose targeted boycotts of American academics and universities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me E.S., I just got back from a screening of Bresson&#8217;s &#8220;Pickpocket&#8221; and an amazing brunch. Now here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>Your answer was still an evasion, so I will reword: why won&#8217;t the specific proponents of these boycotts (and yes, they are pretty much a cohesive movement and group) ever propose targeted boycotts of American academics and universities?</p>
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		<title>By: E. S.</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7922</link>
		<dc:creator>E. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems ganselmi didn't have a comeback?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems ganselmi didn&#8217;t have a comeback?</p>
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		<title>By: E. S.</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7918</link>
		<dc:creator>E. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, The US has a record for blindly ignoring any form of friendly critics,  just look at how France was demonized when the mentioned that attacking Iraq due to a terrorist attack made by mainly Saudi-Arabians was not perhaps the smartest plan in the world.

Regardless, Norway's foreign minister regularly make formal complaints to the US about the use of capital punishment for instance, and the government pension fund have blackballed more US companies, than the rest of the world combined. So your choice of example was wrong.

Hopefully Obama is more open for influence by foreign powers, and will make an effort to change the image the US have acquired under the Bush II "administration". The Nobel Peace Prize committee seems to think so anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, The US has a record for blindly ignoring any form of friendly critics,  just look at how France was demonized when the mentioned that attacking Iraq due to a terrorist attack made by mainly Saudi-Arabians was not perhaps the smartest plan in the world.</p>
<p>Regardless, Norway&#8217;s foreign minister regularly make formal complaints to the US about the use of capital punishment for instance, and the government pension fund have blackballed more US companies, than the rest of the world combined. So your choice of example was wrong.</p>
<p>Hopefully Obama is more open for influence by foreign powers, and will make an effort to change the image the US have acquired under the Bush II &#8220;administration&#8221;. The Nobel Peace Prize committee seems to think so anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7912</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well E.S. gave up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well E.S. gave up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7900</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well, The boycotters might be of the opinion that you can hold a democratic, western, friendly state to a higher standard than you expect by a dysfunctional hellhole like Sudan? And that Israel, unlike say China, can be reasoned with."

Okay, the U.S. has been roundly condemned by human rights organizations and others for unlawful detentions and violations of the Geneva conventions - why won't the boycotters seek to boycott the U.S., the world's leading liberal democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, The boycotters might be of the opinion that you can hold a democratic, western, friendly state to a higher standard than you expect by a dysfunctional hellhole like Sudan? And that Israel, unlike say China, can be reasoned with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, the U.S. has been roundly condemned by human rights organizations and others for unlawful detentions and violations of the Geneva conventions - why won&#8217;t the boycotters seek to boycott the U.S., the world&#8217;s leading liberal democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: E. S.</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7898</link>
		<dc:creator>E. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,  The boycotters might be of the opinion that you can hold a democratic, western, friendly state to a higher standard than you expect by a dysfunctional hellhole like Sudan?  And that Israel, unlike say China, can be reasoned with.

And You seem to forget the wording of the proposal, which by the way was rejected unanimously, just as expected, said to boycott Israeli universities and the staff associated with those, not jewish scientics who works in other parts of the world. And as all boycotts it's effect would be symbolic. As you said,  unless you boycott everyone who deal with Israel the real effect would be minimal.  And as the former vice dean said, she was a supporter for a boycott, but would not dream of asking the staff not to have any contact with Israel,  just that NTNU should refrain from public connections and ventures with Israeli universities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  The boycotters might be of the opinion that you can hold a democratic, western, friendly state to a higher standard than you expect by a dysfunctional hellhole like Sudan?  And that Israel, unlike say China, can be reasoned with.</p>
<p>And You seem to forget the wording of the proposal, which by the way was rejected unanimously, just as expected, said to boycott Israeli universities and the staff associated with those, not jewish scientics who works in other parts of the world. And as all boycotts it&#8217;s effect would be symbolic. As you said,  unless you boycott everyone who deal with Israel the real effect would be minimal.  And as the former vice dean said, she was a supporter for a boycott, but would not dream of asking the staff not to have any contact with Israel,  just that NTNU should refrain from public connections and ventures with Israeli universities.</p>
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		<title>By: ganselmi</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7890</link>
		<dc:creator>ganselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E.S.

Because the boycotters single out Israel for alleged human rights violations. They do not call for boycotts of Sudan, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any number of other serious human rights violators. The singling out is hypocritical because it targets the world's only Jewish state. So if the boycotters really want to be consistent about it, they should also boycott all things Jewish period, since they chosen to single out the world's only Jewish state for a boycott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.S.</p>
<p>Because the boycotters single out Israel for alleged human rights violations. They do not call for boycotts of Sudan, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any number of other serious human rights violators. The singling out is hypocritical because it targets the world&#8217;s only Jewish state. So if the boycotters really want to be consistent about it, they should also boycott all things Jewish period, since they chosen to single out the world&#8217;s only Jewish state for a boycott.</p>
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		<title>By: Augie</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/11/ntnu-boycott-campaign-will-they-or-wont-they/#comment-7887</link>
		<dc:creator>Augie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E. S.  “As for Mirla G. Raz: I think you misunderstand. The boycott proposal is against Israels universities, not Jews in general. How can it be hypocritical to use medicines an American Jew at a french university have developed, even if one supports a boycott of Israel?”

It’s not that simple, E.S. that hypothetical American Jewish doctor who worked in the French university may (I would say probably has) associations with Israeli medical doctors. So you see every Norwegian or even European who wants to honor the boycott of Israeli medicine or other products is going to have to research the background of every Jew in the world to make sure they are not involved with Israel.

 This what the Arab boycotters have been doing for years. Not that it has helped their economies any. 
Moreover, you may not know this but there is a law in the US that makes it illegal to boycott Israel. I am sure many Norwegian companies who also do business in the US will not want to jeopardize their standing in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E. S.  “As for Mirla G. Raz: I think you misunderstand. The boycott proposal is against Israels universities, not Jews in general. How can it be hypocritical to use medicines an American Jew at a french university have developed, even if one supports a boycott of Israel?”</p>
<p>It’s not that simple, E.S. that hypothetical American Jewish doctor who worked in the French university may (I would say probably has) associations with Israeli medical doctors. So you see every Norwegian or even European who wants to honor the boycott of Israeli medicine or other products is going to have to research the background of every Jew in the world to make sure they are not involved with Israel.</p>
<p> This what the Arab boycotters have been doing for years. Not that it has helped their economies any.<br />
Moreover, you may not know this but there is a law in the US that makes it illegal to boycott Israel. I am sure many Norwegian companies who also do business in the US will not want to jeopardize their standing in the US.</p>
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