Comments on: Nazi Chic at Human Rights Watch http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:46:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: jj clint http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6986 jj clint Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:18:06 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6986 His nick was Flak88, 88 is a very well known code word for HH or Heil Hitler. So this NGO response is a joke gimme a break other idiots may buy their s*it I rather not His nick was Flak88, 88 is a very well known code word for HH or Heil Hitler. So this NGO response is a joke gimme a break other idiots may buy their s*it I rather not

]]> By: The Moral Imbecile And HRW. « ModernityBlog http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6878 The Moral Imbecile And HRW. « ModernityBlog Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:16:02 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6878 [...] And HRW. Posted in Uncategorized by modernityblog on September 11, 2009 7:15 pm The CST sums it up: “To repeat, however, HRW are far better placed than me to say whether or not Garlasco is a [...] […] And HRW. Posted in Uncategorized by modernityblog on September 11, 2009 7:15 pm The CST sums it up: “To repeat, however, HRW are far better placed than me to say whether or not Garlasco is a […]

]]> By: ganselmi http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6871 ganselmi Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:52:39 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6871 Yay I was debating with CTRL-C + CTRL-V! Yay I was debating with CTRL-C + CTRL-V!

]]> By: Steven http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6867 Steven Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:14:35 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6867 Sara = HRW. http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/09/hrw-sends-out-sockpuppets.html Consider yourself enlightened. Sara = HRW.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/09/hrw-sends-out-sockpuppets.html

Consider yourself enlightened.

]]> By: Hal http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6864 Hal Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:31:19 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6864 Check the IP address of "Sara" and you will probably find it belongs to HRW.ORG. Other blogs have had exactly the same message and the same IP address. http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/09/hrw-sends-out-sockpuppets.html Check the IP address of “Sara” and you will probably find it belongs to HRW.ORG. Other blogs have had exactly the same message and the same IP address.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/09/hrw-sends-out-sockpuppets.html

]]> By: ganselmi http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6861 ganselmi Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:15:31 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6861 I just want to extend Joe's argument because I think it nails the issue: the man may well have no Nazi sympathies, we can concede that, but it's still highly problematic that HRW would show such lack of judgment and prudence in giving a critical I/P desk (where so much depends on perceptions of fairness) to someone with such a creepy hobby. I just want to extend Joe’s argument because I think it nails the issue: the man may well have no Nazi sympathies, we can concede that, but it’s still highly problematic that HRW would show such lack of judgment and prudence in giving a critical I/P desk (where so much depends on perceptions of fairness) to someone with such a creepy hobby.

]]> By: Jacob-Alain http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6859 Jacob-Alain Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:35:22 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6859 Sara “This is total nonsense. It’s malicious and defamatory and borderline libelous, to be honest. The mere fact that someone collects a certain kind of military artifact does not make them loyal to what those artifacts represent. Saying Garlasco is a Nazi b/c he owns Nazi medals is like saying someone interested in cave paintings is a neanderthal.” Sara, if you can’t see a difference between a “human rights” worker interested in Nazi symbols and military artifacts and say a painter interested in cave painting then I question your ability to reason. Moreover, Garalsco wasn’t just collecting Nazi artifacts he was also posting on pro-Nazi websites and collecting would be Nazi friends. Given his sympathies, that such a man also interested himself in defaming the Jewish State is understandable. That the people at ‘human rights” watch make apologies for him is not understandable at all. There is something fundamentally dishonest about a “human rights” organization hiring a man who cherishes the symbols of the worse violator of human rights in human history. Would “human rights watch” hire anyone who collects KKK relics and posts on David Duke’s website? Sara “This is total nonsense. It’s malicious and defamatory and borderline libelous, to be honest. The mere fact that someone collects a certain kind of military artifact does not make them loyal to what those artifacts represent. Saying Garlasco is a Nazi b/c he owns Nazi medals is like saying someone interested in cave paintings is a neanderthal.”

Sara, if you can’t see a difference between a “human rights” worker interested in Nazi symbols and military artifacts and say a painter interested in cave painting then I question your ability to reason.

Moreover, Garalsco wasn’t just collecting Nazi artifacts he was also posting on pro-Nazi websites and collecting would be Nazi friends.

Given his sympathies, that such a man also interested himself in defaming the Jewish State is understandable. That the people at ‘human rights” watch make apologies for him is not understandable at all.

There is something fundamentally dishonest about a “human rights” organization hiring a man who cherishes the symbols of the worse violator of human rights in human history.

Would “human rights watch” hire anyone who collects KKK relics and posts on David Duke’s website?

]]> By: Joe in Australia http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6858 Joe in Australia Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:18:53 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6858 Sara, I don't think he's a Nazi either. There's no evidence for it. But he does fetishize Nazi memorabilia. There is something very, very creepy about a guy who collects swastikas. Mr Garlasco is a very serious collector. He's not the sort of dilettante who just buys stuff from dealers. Every piece of Nazi memorabilia came from Nazis originally, and a *serious* collector would be trying to source items from these guys or their families. Does he have dealings with them? Does he ever discuss the Holocaust with them, or their attitude to Jews? Or does he just treat it as ordinary business? I find it weird to imagine someone working in human rights who could compartmentalise his life that way. Finally, even though I don't think he's a Nazi, I am sure that many of the collectors he knows and hangs out with are neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers - because they often have an interest in these things. I think it's fair to ask whether their views could influence his attitude towards Jews. How would he respond if one of them made an antisemitic joke in his presence? It's a weird and creepy hobby, and it necessarily raises all sorts of questions about him. Sara, I don’t think he’s a Nazi either. There’s no evidence for it. But he does fetishize Nazi memorabilia. There is something very, very creepy about a guy who collects swastikas.

Mr Garlasco is a very serious collector. He’s not the sort of dilettante who just buys stuff from dealers. Every piece of Nazi memorabilia came from Nazis originally, and a *serious* collector would be trying to source items from these guys or their families. Does he have dealings with them? Does he ever discuss the Holocaust with them, or their attitude to Jews? Or does he just treat it as ordinary business? I find it weird to imagine someone working in human rights who could compartmentalise his life that way.

Finally, even though I don’t think he’s a Nazi, I am sure that many of the collectors he knows and hangs out with are neo-Nazis or Nazi sympathizers - because they often have an interest in these things. I think it’s fair to ask whether their views could influence his attitude towards Jews. How would he respond if one of them made an antisemitic joke in his presence? It’s a weird and creepy hobby, and it necessarily raises all sorts of questions about him.

]]> By: ganselmi http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6855 ganselmi Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:26:28 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6855 Oh. My. God. If I was in charge of PR at HRW, I wouldn't know whether to shit or piss right now. And no, Sara, there's a difference between disinterested collecting and wearing a sweatshirt with Nazi insignia while chugging a beer at a BBQ (see Ben's link). And check out this exchange captured by HP... "skip Moderator Registration Date: 19.12.2005 Posts: 3,958 Location: mix Love the sweatshirt Mark. Not one I could wear here in germany though (well I could but it would be a lot of hassle) Skip Flak88 Premium Member Registration Date: 27.11.2006 Posts: 981 Location: New York Everyone thinks it is a biker shirt! 08.12.2006 13:56 skip Moderator Registration Date: 19.12.2005 Posts: 3,958 Location: mix Yeh, were you come from but imagine walking around in Berlin with “das Eisene Kreuz” written across your cheat. Either you get beaten to pulp by a group of rampaging Turks or the police arrest you on suspicion of being a Nazi Skip" "Everyone thinks it's a biker shirt," i.e. Marc saying most of my fellow Americans are to ignorant to realize I'm wearing Nazi insignia. Oh. My. God. If I was in charge of PR at HRW, I wouldn’t know whether to shit or piss right now.

And no, Sara, there’s a difference between disinterested collecting and wearing a sweatshirt with Nazi insignia while chugging a beer at a BBQ (see Ben’s link). And check out this exchange captured by HP…

“skip
Moderator

Registration Date: 19.12.2005
Posts: 3,958
Location: mix

Love the sweatshirt Mark. Not one I could wear here in germany though (well I could but it would be a lot of hassle)

Skip

Flak88
Premium Member

Registration Date: 27.11.2006
Posts: 981
Location: New York

Everyone thinks it is a biker shirt!

08.12.2006 13:56

skip
Moderator

Registration Date: 19.12.2005
Posts: 3,958
Location: mix

Yeh, were you come from but imagine walking around in Berlin with “das Eisene Kreuz” written across your cheat. Either you get beaten to pulp by a group of rampaging Turks or the police arrest you on suspicion of being a Nazi

Skip”

“Everyone thinks it’s a biker shirt,” i.e. Marc saying most of my fellow Americans are to ignorant to realize I’m wearing Nazi insignia.

]]> By: Sara http://blog.z-word.com/2009/09/nazi-chic-at-hrw/#comment-6854 Sara Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:10:36 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1395#comment-6854 This is total nonsense. It's malicious and defamatory and borderline libelous, to be honest. The mere fact that someone collects a certain kind of military artifact does not make them loyal to what those artifacts represent. Saying Garlasco is a Nazi b/c he owns Nazi medals is like saying someone interested in cave paintings is a neanderthal. It simply makes no sense! Instead of dragging this man's name through the mud, perhaps it would be better to consider his record, his position at a leading Human Rights NGO (which, despite claims to the contrary, is not anti-Israel since they criticize Israeli and Palestinian tactics alike when either cross the line of legality), and the fact that he COLLECTS stuff. That's as far as it goes. People study and write about and read about and are interested in every evil figure and vile empire that ever existed, Nero, Ghengis Khan, Sadam Hussein, Stalin, Hitler. This interest does not equal acceptance or agreement or support in any way and to argue otherwise is totally illogical! This is total nonsense. It’s malicious and defamatory and borderline libelous, to be honest. The mere fact that someone collects a certain kind of military artifact does not make them loyal to what those artifacts represent. Saying Garlasco is a Nazi b/c he owns Nazi medals is like saying someone interested in cave paintings is a neanderthal. It simply makes no sense! Instead of dragging this man’s name through the mud, perhaps it would be better to consider his record, his position at a leading Human Rights NGO (which, despite claims to the contrary, is not anti-Israel since they criticize Israeli and Palestinian tactics alike when either cross the line of legality), and the fact that he COLLECTS stuff. That’s as far as it goes. People study and write about and read about and are interested in every evil figure and vile empire that ever existed, Nero, Ghengis Khan, Sadam Hussein, Stalin, Hitler. This interest does not equal acceptance or agreement or support in any way and to argue otherwise is totally illogical!

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