Comments on: Osvaldo Bayer: Progressive Jew Obsessive http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:08:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: Two Z-Word Posts « El Nuevo Pantano http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6497 Two Z-Word Posts « El Nuevo Pantano Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:40:23 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6497 [...] Leave a Comment Tags: Argentina, Gaza, Hamas, Israel, Jund Ansar Allah, Osvaldo Bayer here and [...] […] Leave a Comment Tags: Argentina, Gaza, Hamas, Israel, Jund Ansar Allah, Osvaldo Bayer here and […]

]]> By: Eamonn McDonagh http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6496 Eamonn McDonagh Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:22:05 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6496 Bayer, as far as I am aware, isn't a Jew and I'´m sorry that the title of the post has led some to think that he might be. He is definitely obsessed about Jews. Bayer, as far as I am aware, isn’t a Jew and I’´m sorry that the title of the post has led some to think that he might be. He is definitely obsessed about Jews.

]]> By: Paula http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6495 Paula Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:56:27 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6495 "The excruciatingly progressive and secular Bayer fancies himself as an expert on Jewish law." Is Bayer a Jew? The title of the articles seems to suggest that he is. Or is he just prey, like so many, to a "fascination with Jews, their crimes, their thought, their laws, their state and their general refusal to disappear" ? “The excruciatingly progressive and secular Bayer fancies himself as an expert on Jewish law.”

Is Bayer a Jew? The title of the articles seems to suggest that he is.

Or is he just prey, like so many, to a “fascination with Jews, their crimes, their thought, their laws, their state and their general refusal to disappear” ?

]]> By: Karl Pfeifer http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6492 Karl Pfeifer Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:37:14 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6492 Noga is absolutely right. Ben Gurion decided to make a lot of compromises and many books have been written on subject matter. However marriages between Jews and Non-Jews are recocnised in Israel. And many such couples live in Israel. Noga is absolutely right. Ben Gurion decided to make a lot of compromises and many books have been written on subject matter. However marriages between Jews and Non-Jews are recocnised in Israel.
And many such couples live in Israel.

]]> By: Jacob http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6471 Jacob Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:55:16 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6471 A couple of excellent posts by Eamonn, and in August too. Congratulations. A couple of excellent posts by Eamonn, and in August too.

Congratulations.

]]> By: Noga http://blog.z-word.com/2009/08/osvaldo-bayer-progressive-jew-obsessive/#comment-6461 Noga Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:09:38 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1379#comment-6461 "It’s well known that the State of Israel doesn’t recognize marriages between Jews and non-Jews. [… ] It has thus become fashionable for Jews who want to marry a non-Jew to go to Cyprus to do it." As is always the case with "progressive and secular" Jews who fancy thremselves experts on Jewish law, he misunderstands (or DISunderstands?)the situation. There is no civil marriage in Israel but the state recofnizes such marriages when they are presented as a "fait-accompli". Hence the solution of Cyprus. It is hardly a "fashionable" custom but one of common sense and necessity, which has been around for as long as Israel existed, and before. There is another possibility that some opt for, and that is the legal marriage contract, performed by a lawyer in Israel, which circumvents the constraint imposed by the state on marriages. It is also important to note that "the system is based on the Millet or confessional community system inherited from the times of the Ottoman Empire and not substantially modified during the British Mandate period nor since the establishment of the State of Israel. The system is also in use by several Muslim countries of the Middle East and beyond." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel As usual, it is Israel that is selected for the author's approbrium for reasons that I suspect are entirely unconnected with the very frustrating and real problems that some Israeli Jews encounter on their way to marriage. “It’s well known that the State of Israel doesn’t recognize marriages between Jews and non-Jews. [… ] It has thus become fashionable for Jews who want to marry a non-Jew to go to Cyprus to do it.”

As is always the case with “progressive and secular” Jews who fancy thremselves experts on Jewish law, he misunderstands (or DISunderstands?)the situation. There is no civil marriage in Israel but the state recofnizes such marriages when they are presented as a “fait-accompli”. Hence the solution of Cyprus. It is hardly a “fashionable” custom but one of common sense and necessity, which has been around for as long as Israel existed, and before. There is another possibility that some opt for, and that is the legal marriage contract, performed by a lawyer in Israel, which circumvents the constraint imposed by the state on marriages.

It is also important to note that “the system is based on the Millet or confessional community system inherited from the times of the Ottoman Empire and not substantially modified during the British Mandate period nor since the establishment of the State of Israel. The system is also in use by several Muslim countries of the Middle East and beyond.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Israel

As usual, it is Israel that is selected for the
author’s approbrium for reasons that I suspect are entirely unconnected with the very frustrating and real problems that some Israeli Jews encounter on their way to marriage.

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