Comments on: Andrew Sullivan Forecasts Israel’s Demise http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Wed, 23 May 2012 09:37:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: the “Goldfarb-Krauthammer wing” of American Jews: the Dish identifies it it « The Daily Dishwater http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-9330 the “Goldfarb-Krauthammer wing” of American Jews: the Dish identifies it it « The Daily Dishwater Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:34:50 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-9330 [...] is a masochistic or danger-seeking tendency of yours. I mean, people like me, Jeffrey Goldfarb and Ben Cohen can’t defend you against charges of discrimination forever, you know. It does matter what [...] […] is a masochistic or danger-seeking tendency of yours. I mean, people like me, Jeffrey Goldfarb and Ben Cohen can’t defend you against charges of discrimination forever, you know. It does matter what […]

]]> By: Mailman http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6586 Mailman Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:39:49 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6586 Sullivan is a clown of the first order. His black dotting on the repugnant Trig Palin non-story is a very good indicator of how low this moron will go to get a story. Mailman Sullivan is a clown of the first order. His black dotting on the repugnant Trig Palin non-story is a very good indicator of how low this moron will go to get a story.

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]]> By: Bob Singer http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6155 Bob Singer Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:40:58 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6155 Goldberg's sardonic comment: "Andrew Sullivan's Zionism, Explained" http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/andrew_sullivans_zionism_expla.php Goldberg’s sardonic comment:

“Andrew Sullivan’s Zionism, Explained”

http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/andrew_sullivans_zionism_expla.php

]]> By: Jacob http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6098 Jacob Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:19:12 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6098 Andrew Sullivan's latest: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/israels-nukes.html "Israel's Nukes" The link to the non story is just an excuse to again attack in mealy mouthed fashion the "Israel lobby," which of course he doesn't mention. Instead we get this: "Did John Bolton just call for getting rid of them? And am I allowed to acknowledge publicly that they exist but we can't talk about them?" The "am I allowed" phrase says it all. So who is stopping Sullivan from talking about Israel or its nuclear arsenal? Andrew Sullivan’s latest:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/israels-nukes.html

“Israel’s Nukes”

The link to the non story is just an excuse to again attack in mealy mouthed fashion the “Israel lobby,” which of course he doesn’t mention. Instead we get this:

“Did John Bolton just call for getting rid of them? And am I allowed to acknowledge publicly that they exist but we can’t talk about them?”

The “am I allowed” phrase says it all.

So who is stopping Sullivan from talking about Israel or its nuclear arsenal?

]]> By: David Adler http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6091 David Adler Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:30:36 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6091 I don't doubt that Iranian-American diaspora politics are complex, and that you know more about them than I do. But it's not like NIAC's pro-human rights statements are tucked away like a footnote in some press release - they form the bulk of the group's very mission statement. To dismiss the group as somehow pro-regime strikes me as an unfair partisan shot. But I will seek more information on this and I thank you for your reply. I don’t doubt that Iranian-American diaspora politics are complex, and that you know more about them than I do. But it’s not like NIAC’s pro-human rights statements are tucked away like a footnote in some press release - they form the bulk of the group’s very mission statement. To dismiss the group as somehow pro-regime strikes me as an unfair partisan shot. But I will seek more information on this and I thank you for your reply.

]]> By: ganselmi http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6089 ganselmi Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:58:26 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6089 David, I didn't see your post until now, so I apologize for the late reply. An organization like NIAC, seeking as it does to win the support of the Iranian-American community, is forced to make statements like the one you posted. If it didn't, NIAC would lose legitimacy and credibility in the eyes of average Iranian-Americans who are all too familiar with what goes on inside Iran. The reason NIAC is considered an important element of the IRI's "unofficial diplomacy" efforts is that it consistently advocates for the removal of sanctions, the softening of US gov't rhetoric toward the regime, the discontinuation of congressional funding for Iranian HR organizations and other aspects of Iranian civil society, etc. Hassan Dai, a great Iranian dissident journalist, has done a tremendous amount of work to expose NIAC's role in advancing pro-IRI policies such as the ones I mentioned above <i>while claiming to represent the interests and values of Iranian-Americans</i>! Please visit his website, www.iranianlobby.com, to learn more about why so many Iranian-Americans despise NIAC. David,

I didn’t see your post until now, so I apologize for the late reply.

An organization like NIAC, seeking as it does to win the support of the Iranian-American community, is forced to make statements like the one you posted. If it didn’t, NIAC would lose legitimacy and credibility in the eyes of average Iranian-Americans who are all too familiar with what goes on inside Iran. The reason NIAC is considered an important element of the IRI’s “unofficial diplomacy” efforts is that it consistently advocates for the removal of sanctions, the softening of US gov’t rhetoric toward the regime, the discontinuation of congressional funding for Iranian HR organizations and other aspects of Iranian civil society, etc.

Hassan Dai, a great Iranian dissident journalist, has done a tremendous amount of work to expose NIAC’s role in advancing pro-IRI policies such as the ones I mentioned above while claiming to represent the interests and values of Iranian-Americans! Please visit his website, http://www.iranianlobby.com, to learn more about why so many Iranian-Americans despise NIAC.

]]> By: Jacob http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6069 Jacob Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:15:30 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6069 On another note dealing with Israel, what do people here make of this bit of information: "How did Israel stop being a free country? Here’s a story about how un-professional a pro-democracy organization becomes when dealing with the State of Israel." http://www.adi-schwartz.com/israel-not-free-country/ Is this an indication of antisemitism on the part of "Freedom House?" On another note dealing with Israel, what do people here make of this bit of information:

“How did Israel stop being a free country?
Here’s a story about how un-professional a pro-democracy organization becomes when dealing with the State of Israel.”

http://www.adi-schwartz.com/israel-not-free-country/

Is this an indication of antisemitism on the part of “Freedom House?”

]]> By: Jacob http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6068 Jacob Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:11:17 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6068 David Adler and Ben Cohen my views are based on my reading of his posts over a couple of years. Sullivan is very careful not to say anything about Jews directly but often links to comments which sometime are antisemitic. His attacks also on "neo cons," whom I don't support, also have a kind of "those" people about them. This comes out when he is arguing against some one he considers a neo con. That's just my impression. I don't have the time right now, but I intend to do go through his posts and find some concrete evidence in support of my views. Moreover, his insistence that we live in a "police State" is pretty far out: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/whose-police-state.html David Adler and Ben Cohen my views are based on my reading of his posts over a couple of years.

Sullivan is very careful not to say anything about Jews directly but often links to comments which sometime are antisemitic. His attacks also on “neo cons,” whom I don’t support, also have a kind of “those” people about them. This comes out when he is arguing against some one he considers a neo con.

That’s just my impression. I don’t have the time right now, but I intend to do go through his posts and find some concrete evidence in support of my views.

Moreover, his insistence that we live in a “police State” is pretty far out:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/whose-police-state.html

]]> By: Ben Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6059 Ben Cohen Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:50:12 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6059 I now see that Jacob called Sullivan an antisemite. Jacob, I have removed that part of your comment. You are welcome to post your thoughts here, but I would ask you not to throw the term "antisemite" around in the way that some people throw the term "apartheid" around. Let's save it for those who can be reasonably described as such. There are plenty of them, but Andrew Sullivan, for all his faults, isn't one of them. Generally, people, I am really, really busy with so many different projects - please don't add to my workload (or Eamonn's) by forcing us to police every dot and comma of your comments. I like to think that trust prevails here - please don't abuse it. I now see that Jacob called Sullivan an antisemite. Jacob, I have removed that part of your comment. You are welcome to post your thoughts here, but I would ask you not to throw the term “antisemite” around in the way that some people throw the term “apartheid” around. Let’s save it for those who can be reasonably described as such. There are plenty of them, but Andrew Sullivan, for all his faults, isn’t one of them.

Generally, people, I am really, really busy with so many different projects - please don’t add to my workload (or Eamonn’s) by forcing us to police every dot and comma of your comments. I like to think that trust prevails here - please don’t abuse it.

]]> By: Ben Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/andrew-sullivan-forecasts-israels-demise/#comment-6058 Ben Cohen Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:45:00 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1370#comment-6058 Hi David - I plead guilty on the moonbattery part. I mean, that's a fair thing to say, given that he argues it's likely that Israel will disappear before an anniversary which it's already marked. But I didn't call him an antisemite. Hi David - I plead guilty on the moonbattery part. I mean, that’s a fair thing to say, given that he argues it’s likely that Israel will disappear before an anniversary which it’s already marked. But I didn’t call him an antisemite.

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