As was once said at FFI:

“I hope for peace. But I question how peace is possible with this much hate? Let us not hide our heads under the sand. We Muslims have a lot of soul searching to do. For how long shall we live in denial? Something is terribly wrong with us. We are filled with hate. The hatred of the Jews in ingrained in our subconscious and we carry it with ourselves even after we leave Islam. How can we make peace with those whom we hate so intensely?”

The Quilliam Foundation is much like the staff at the Council of Ex-Muslims in that they stop at challenging their own petty resentments and simply do a variation on the themes they were brought up with.

ClapHammer: what is certainly striking when you read the 2 pieces by Husain and Nawaz is that they are so sloppily argued and researched that it’s hard to avoid the impression that it wasn’t pure ideology that brought them to compare Zionism with Islamism. Particularly Husain tried to argue that Zionism was somehow a religious movement, though then he immediately pointed out himself that there was initially very little support for it from religious circles… so he must have realized that he really was presenting a very flimsy case at best. Similarly with Nawaz: he just railed against the concept of a Jewish state, providing all sorts of links in support which only showed that he hadn’t even bothered to read his own links.

So I definitely agree what Kerner and ganselmi imply: yes, they are former Islamists who now seem to be doing good work fighting Islamism, but they haven’t managed to get rid of the very Islamist attitudes towards Zionism.

I am not 100% sure that he is really a moderate. I tend to see moderation for Muslims as being defined when faced with the abominations of the Prophet and how they relate to each and every one of them. It’s not enough to say that I am moderate because I am against terrorism. You have to be able to consider the behavior of the Prophet and say what you think.

Of pedophilia for instance.

More than one wife.

Not having female clerics.

A whole host of things that would convince me that Ed and Bungalawa are really moderate.

Incidentally, they both hate each other ‘moderately’.

As for moral equivalences. The far left has been having a field day with moral equivalences and it is time that the rational left retook the high moral ground by outing these lefty extremists.

Moral equivalences in the Muslim world can all be washed down the toilet. Muslims want to live in the West. Westerners do not want to live in Muslim countries. It’s as simple as that.

This is utterly a-historical. It is anti-Zionism of the Naturei-Karta variety that is the twin of Islamicism.

The Zionism that founded the State of Israel is a product of modernism and not of religious extremism.

This comparison goes to show how the language of antisemitism like a virus adopts itself to new realities and will portray Jews in hateful up to date symbols.

Well said. Its so sad that even the “progressive” Quilliam Foundation flirts with antizionism.