A Partial Defence of Kasher and Yadlin

Avishai Margalit and Michael Walzer here go to some lengths to reject a subsidiary claim about the duty of states towards their soldiers involved in operations against terrorists made by Asa Kasher and Amos Yadlin in a paper -subscription required -that is mainly concerned with other questions.

They set out the core of their argument as follows:

Kasher and Yadlin ask:

What priority should be given to the duty to minimize casualties among the combatants of the state when they are engaged in combat…against terror?

When they write of combatants of “the state,” the authors mean states in general, including the armed forces of the state of Israel. By “terror” they mean the intentional killing of civilians, as by members of Hamas in recent years. And this is their answer:

Usually, the duty to minimize casualties among combatants during combat is last on the list of priorities, or next to last, if terrorists are excluded from the category of noncombatants. We firmly reject such a conception because it is immoral. A combatant is a citizen in uniform. In Israel, quite often, he is a conscript or on reserve duty. His state ought to have a compelling reason for jeopardizing his life. The fact that persons involved in terror are depicted as noncombatants and that they reside and act in the vicinity of persons not involved in terror is not a reason for jeopardizing the combatant’s life in their pursuit…. The terrorists shoulder the responsibility for their encounter with the combatant and should therefore bear the consequences.

And they go on:

Where the state does not have effective control of the vicinity, it does not have to shoulder responsibility for the fact that persons who are involved in terror operate in the vicinity of persons who are not.

Our main contention is that this claim is wrong and dangerous. It erodes the distinction between combatants and noncombatants, which is critical to the theory of justice in war (jus in bello). No good reasons are given for the erosion.

In my view, Margalit and Walzer misconstrue the argument offered by Kasher and Yadlin.

1.

The fact that persons involved in terror are depicted as noncombatants and that they reside and act in the vicinity of persons not involved in terror is not a reason for jeopardizing the combatant’s life in their pursuit.

This can’t reasonably be taken to mean that Kasher and Yadlin think that soldiers shouldn’t have to run any risks while fighting against terrorists when there are civilians also present, in order to protect the lives of the latter. It can only mean that, in their view, they shouldn’t have to exposes themselves to additional risks over and above those already implicit in their status and activities, in order to avoid harming civilians, a category of person which their argument clearly continues to recognize.

2.

Margalit and Walzer do themselves a quick and unjust favor in their argument when they say that

There is nothing in these quotations [the ones from Kasher and Yadlin above] that hinges on the word “terrorists.” Replace that word with “enemy combatants” and the argument remains the same. Kasher and Yadlin are simply assuming that the war against the enemy is a just war. Their claim, crudely put, is that in such a war the safety of “our” soldiers takes precedence over the safety of “their” civilians.

Rather a lot depends on the fact that Kasher and Yadlin are arguing about operations against terrorists - you can call them “irregular forces” if you are squeamish about considering the full range of activities carried out by organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah - and not against the armies of other states. While the armies of states usually take at least enough notice of the law of armed conflict to be aware of when they might be breaking it, terrorist organizations, especially those that believe themselves to have a secure voice link to God, are contemptuous of attempts to limit the scope and consequences of warfare by legal means. For them, whatever they see as bringing victory closer is justified.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that those regular forces can therefore do whatever is expedient to combat and defeat them, it does mean that such forces can’t be expected to ignore the nature of the enemy they are fighting against.

3.

Margalit and Walzer go on to say that

The position that we mean to oppose is the opposite of this view. It holds that only the side that is fighting for a just cause (our side) has a right to fight, and that soldiers on the other side have no rights at all. Anything they do is immoral, whether they attack our soldiers or our civilians. And since our soldiers and civilians are equally innocent, we cannot ask our soldiers to take risks to protect enemy civilians. Those civilians have been put at risk by the immoral conduct of their soldiers.

There’s nothing in Kasher and Yadlin’s paper to suggest that they support this view. Their argument rests on the duty of states to protect the lives of their citizens, does not hold that soldiers cannot be expected to run any risks to avoid harm to civilians and is developed under the following overarching principles:

Military acts and activities carried out in discharging the duty of the state to defend its citizens against terror acts or activities while at the same time protecting human dignity, should be carried out according to the following priorities which reflect the order of duties the state has toward certain groups:

(d.1) Minimum injury to the lives of citizens of the state who are not combatants during combat;

(d.2) Minimum injury to the lives of other persons (outside the state) who are not involved in terror when they are under the effective control of the state;

(d.3) Minimum injury to the lives of the combatants of the state in the course of their combat operations;

(d.4) Minimum injury to the lives of other persons (outside the state) who are not involved in terror, when they are not under the effective control of the state;

(d.5) Minimum injury to the lives of other persons (outside the state) who are indirectly involved in terror acts or activities;

(d.6) Injury as required to the liberties or lives of other persons (outside the state) who are directly involved in terror acts or activities.

So, while Kasher and Yadlin plainly prioritize the lives of soldiers over those of civilians not under their effective control, the soldiers still have a duty to minimize harm to them and their duty to protect the lives of civilians that are under their effective control comes before their duty to protect themselves. All of this is perfectly debatable but it’s a long way from the free fire zone for the state’s forces which Margalit and Walzer accuse them of advocating.

4.

Margalit and Walzer are really getting into their stride now…

How do Kasher and Yadlin blur the distinction between combatants and noncombatants? By enabling “our” combatants to jump the queue for their own safety-so that their safety comes before the safety of civilians (whoever they are). For Kasher and Yadlin, there no longer is a categorical distinction between combatants and noncombatants. But the distinction should be categorical, since its whole point is to limit wars to those-only those-who have the capacity to injure (or who provide the means to injure).

See above; Kasher and Yadlin don’t say that the safety of “our” soldiers comes before the safety of civilians whoever they are and they maintain a clear distinction between combatants and civilians or “persons who are not involved in terror”, as they call them.

5.

Margalit and Walzer conclude their core argument with a thought experiment revolving around a hypothetical Hezbollah capture of a kibbutz in northern Israel.

Now consider four possible scenarios:

1. Hezbollah captured Manara and held all its members, Israeli citizens, as hostages. Hezbollah combatants mingle with the kibbutz members so as to be shielded by them from any counterattack.

2. Hezbollah captured only the outskirts of Manara, and a group of pro-Israeli, noncombatant volunteers from outside Israel-not Israeli citizens-who worked in Ma-nara and lived near the border were seized and used as human shields.

3. Instead of well-wishing volunteers as in scenario 2, we now have a group of protesters from abroad, who traveled to the northern border of Israel to raise their voices against Israel’s policy toward Lebanon. As it happened, Hezbollah did not pay much attention to their protest, but seized and used them as its human shields.

4. Before Hezbollah captured Manara, the kibbutz was evacuated, and now Hezbollah brings in civilian villagers from South Lebanon, in order to claim that the kibbutz land belongs to them, but also to use them as human shields.

In all four cases, Israel is about to launch a military operation to recapture Manara. Note that Hezbollah has effective control of the kibbutz and controls the fate of the different noncombatants held there. We claim that Israel is morally required to behave in all those cases the way it would behave in the first case, when its citizens are held by Hezbollah in “a mixed vicinity.” Whatever Israel deems acceptable as “collateral damage” when its own captured citizens are at risk-that should be the moral limit in the other cases too. If, as an Israeli, you think that a military operation will cause excessive harm to Israeli civilians, you should have equal concern for the excessive harm done to other civilians, whether they are welcome guests, unwelcome guests, or enemy noncombatants. The rules of engagement for Israeli soldiers are the same in all the cases, no matter how they feel toward the different groups. And if they observe those rules, and take the morally necessary risks, responsibility for the deaths of Hezbollah’s human shields-in all the cases-falls only on Hezbollah.

The force of this example seems to me to rest on an assumption that I will summarize as follows: “While Israel would be happy to mow down innocent Arabs it would be much more reluctant to place the lives of its own civilians at risk and would, therefore, find its scope for military operations much reduced if it placed the same value on Arab lives as it does on Jewish ones.” However, a brief consideration of Israel’s history shows this assumption to be, at best, only partially true. Israel, just like every other country, values its own more than foreigners. However, it has repeatedly shown itself willing to place its own civilians at risk through its own actions in order to protect them from greater risks imposed on them by their enemies. Sometimes this has worked out well and sometimes it hasn’t; think about Ma’alot and Entebbe. It’s not as if the only dangers to which the kibbutzniks would be exposed to in this situation would be those posed by Israeli military operations.

All of this points us to a further weakness in Margalit and Walzer’s overall argument. They assume that, in any given situation relevant to these questions, it is only action by state forces to protect themselves from terrorists - when such action prioritizes the lives of their members over those of civilians not under their effective control - which places the lives of those civilians in danger. No consideration is given to the dangers to which civilians are exposed by being ruled by such organizations, either at the micro level; the terrorist leader spared because killing him would have meant killing his family too goes on to liquidate droves of supposed traitors among his own people, or the macro one; large populations denied the most basic human rights and living at the whim of despots and religious whack jobs.

10 Responses to “A Partial Defence of Kasher and Yadlin”


  1. 1 Peter D

    If you prioritize the lives of your soldiers over those of the enemy civilians, as per Kasher and Yadlin, then in the case of the hypothetical Manara capture as in scenario 4, then the logical thing would be to carpet-bomb Manara so as to kill everybody there - Hizballah fighters and the enemy civilians alike - with no casualties to your soldiers. I cannot imagine Kasher and Yadlin admitting that this was their intention, in which case they need to explain exactly what they mean by prioritizing the lives of your soldiers over the lives of enemy civilians. In this respect, Waltzer and Margalit at least offer a workable guideline: behave in the same way as you would were the civilians your own.

  2. 2 Jeremiah Haber

    For my partial take on the Margalit/Walzer NYRB articles see

    http://themagneszionist.blogspot.com/2009/04/michael-walzers-proxy-war-against-jeff.html

    The partial defense by Eamonn McDonagh above does not refer to Kasher and Yadlin’s own defense of their position against Margalit and Walzer’s criticism, which has appeared so far only in Hebrew (as far as I know.) That’s a pity, because in several cases Kasher and Yadlin do not dispute Walzer and Margalit’s reading.

    So, for example, McDonaghon says that “[Kasher and Yadlin] maintain a clear distinction between combatants and civilians,” whereas in their response to W and M, the two write, “We do not have a principle of distinguishing different types of people. That is Walzer’s approach, which distinguishes between non-combatants, who are in the category of sacred people that cannot be touched, and soldiers, whose blood is permitted, because they are in the category of those who have conceded their right to freedom and life.”

    Because McDonagh misses the central point of the debate between the two sides, his interpretative comments are of less interest in understanding it. But not entirely, because they do point out some misunderstandings of both sides. Rather than get stuck on exegesis, let me focus on those.

    Misunderstanding 1.

    W and M had said that K and Y’s argument for the priority of our side’s soldiers over their side’s civilians didn’t make a difference where their civilians are in the vicinity of terrorists (as in Gaza) or soldiers (as, say, in a war against Syria). K and Y in their response *agree* with W and M; under both circumstances, the issue would be whether the territory is under our effective control or not.

    McDonagh doesn’t get W and M. He seems to think that they are saying that there is no difference in fighting terrorists or regular armies. Rather, their point is that if the other side had a regular army, K and Y’s point would be the same: there is a priority of our soldiers over their civilians. And in their response K and A show no sign that they disagree.

    This is not to say — and W and M never said — that A and K don’t think that the IDF should try to minimize civilian casualities. But A and K clearly say that the IDF bears no responsibility for civilian casualities because they have no effective control in Gaza; that civilian casualties are entirely the fault of Hamas (and, in some cases, the civilians themselves.)

    Misunderstanding 2. The thought experiment.

    The purpose of a thought experiment is to test our intuitions and principles. The purpose of M and W’s thought experiment was to argue that the IDF should act no differently whether civilians in the vicinity of enemy combatants are Israeli or not.

    Now, K and Y disagree with this principle. And so does McDonagh. He simply states as a fact that “Israel, just like every other country, values its own more than foreigners.” Oh, how true, and oh, how irrelevant to Walzer and Margalit. Because they are saying that Just War theory requires an ironclad distinction between soldiers and non-combatants. To explain why this is so is beyond the scope of this comment — but Kasher and Yadlin get the point, and McDonagh doesn’t.

    Then McDonagh continues

    “Israel has repeatedly shown itself willing to place its own civilians at risk through its own actions in order to protect them from greater risks imposed on them by their enemies. Sometimes this has worked out well and sometimes it hasn’t; think about Ma’alot and Entebbe.”

    But what relevance does this have? Any country, or for that matter, any police force, may be in a situation where to save people, a risky rescue operation has to be executed. The issue at hand is whether Israel is quicker to risk its soldiers for its own civilians than for its enemies. The answer maybe, “Of course, that is natural for any state.” To which M and W may say, “Natural, yes. Moral, no.”

    Once again, I point out that M and W’s position is not above argument, and in some respects it is counter-intuitive — but it is based on standard Just War theory. Kasher and Yadlin’s is not, although they claim it is. And Jeff McMahon tries to argue against standard Just War theory.

  3. 3 Jeremiah Haber

    In one paragraph of the above I wrote “A and K” for “K and Y”, but I meant Kasher and Yadlin.

  4. 4 Eamonn McDonagh

    1.
    Haber’s initial remarks (up to the end of of the first paragraph of “Misunderstanding 1) about and citation of Kasher and Yadlin does not refer to the text I linked to and appear to refer to texts written in Hebrew, a language I don’t know, and which must have come out with remarkable celerity if they are indeed a reply to Margalit and Walzer’s piece in the current NYRB. My post cannot, therefore, be faulted for not taking into account what such texts might say.

    If anyone, apart from Haber, is aware of a reliable English translation of these texts, I’d be glad to directed to them.

    2.
    “McDonagh doesn’t get W and M. He seems to think that they are saying that there is no difference in fighting terrorists or regular armies. Rather, their point is that if the other side had a regular army, K and Y’s point would be the same: there is a priority of our soldiers over their civilians. And in their response K and A show no sign that they disagree.”

    Kasher and Yadlin do not give an absolute priority to “our” soldiers over “their” civilians and if my citation from their paper isn’t enough to make that clear I’m not sure what might do the trick.

    3.
    “But K and Y clearly say that the IDF bears no responsibility for civilian casualities because they have no effective control in Gaza; that civilian casualties are entirely the fault of Hamas (and, in some cases, the civilians themselves.)”

    There’s nothing to justify this characterization of Kasher and Yadlin’s views in their paper.
    4.
    At no point do I say that Israel’s natural instinct to favor its own provides a legal or moral justification for any particular course of action. Margalit and Walzer, in their thought experiment, are the ones betting the farm on the consideration given by Israelis to their own kin as they seem to think that if similar consideration were extended to Arabs, they would be more likely to be protected from harm. I believe that my historical examples give reason to doubt this.

  5. 5 Jeremiah Haber

    Actually, McDonagh’s historical examples are entirely compatible with Margalit and Walzer’s point. Had the Entebbe and Maalot terrorists been surrounded by Arabs, and not Jews, Kasher and Yadlin would have justified bombing them, if necessary. The fact that Israel risked the lives of its soldier-rescuers in both cases shows that Israel valued the lives of its own civilians to put them at risk.

    (Although…in the case of Maalot, as well as in similar stand-offs around the world, including Waco, TX. one cannot discount other motivating factors; national pride, police prestige, faulty intelligence, etc.)

    Of course, these examples are not really parallel to the situation in Gaza. But consider the following: both in the Gaza war and in Southern Lebanon, Hamas and Hizbollah used Palestinians as human shields. According to Yadlin and Kasher, while some consideration should be given to this, it is justifiable to bomb a terrorist if that will result in the death of human shields (the IDF bombed a high-ranking Hamas leader and killed many members of his family, inclduing children) — that is covered by the “military necessity” rubric.

    Now I am waiting for McDonagh’s historical example of an Israeli operation in which, in order to kill a terrorist, the Israelis bombed their own civilians. If the justification for such bombing is “military necessity” — and that is the justification — then there should be no difference in the ethnic identity of the human shields, or at least so argue W and M.

    That is the issue at hand; that is the point that divides the sides, and that still seems to elude McDonagh.

    By the way, as I mention on my website, Kasher and Yadlin did not respond to the NYRB piece, but to the W and M Haaretz piece published on the Seventh Day of Passover. But I suspect that W and M got wind of the K and Y response before the NYRB. Because although K and Y claim that in the thought experiment of the kibbutz, the kibbutz would be in territory under effective Israeli control (and hence would call for a police, rather than a military operation), W and M, in the NYRB piece, explicitly say that the kibbutz captured by Hizbollah forces would be under Hizbollah’s effective control. The question of effective control is a pivotal one for Yadlin and Kasher.

  6. 6 Efraim

    “Now I am waiting for McDonagh’s historical example of an Israeli operation in which, in order to kill a terrorist, the Israelis bombed their own civilians. If the justification for such bombing is “military necessity” — and that is the justification — then there should be no difference in the ethnic identity of the human shields, or at least so argue W and M.”

    This is Haber’s own little thought experiment.

    Why do you assume they wouldn’t?

  7. 7 Jeffrey Swartz, Barcelona Metropolis

    In relation to the writings of Avishai Margalit, may I draw your attention to an interview we recently published in Barcelona Metropolis, where I am an editor.

    The English version is here:
    http://www.barcelonametropolis.cat/en/page.asp?id=21&ui=224

    Amongst other observations of interest, Margalit comments the following: “There are, then, examples of societies that are relatively decent to their own members but that behave indecently towards others. Does that mean, though, that the society in question is indecent? I’d say no.”

    Thanks for your blog.

  8. 8 Eamonn McDonagh

    Thanks for this.

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