Comments on: Negotiating with Hamas, Logic and Roger Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:29:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: Hamas: The Song Remains the Same at Z-Word Blog http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-7855 Hamas: The Song Remains the Same at Z-Word Blog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:34:21 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-7855 [...] of the conflict. So says the chorus of the kind hearted. I’ve argued against this view here and here, among other places. Guess who has now come up with a proposal for Israel to negotiate [...] […] of the conflict. So says the chorus of the kind hearted. I’ve argued against this view here and here, among other places. Guess who has now come up with a proposal for Israel to negotiate […]

]]> By: Zee http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-3978 Zee Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:42:52 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-3978 The PLO hasn't revoked their charter calling for the destruction of Israel, but that doesn't prevent negotiations with Abbas. Why the double standard? The PLO hasn’t revoked their charter calling for the destruction of Israel, but that doesn’t prevent negotiations with Abbas. Why the double standard?

]]> By: David Schraub http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-3972 David Schraub Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:16:11 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-3972 See also <a href="http://whatwouldphoebedo.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-should-arabs-be-any-less-pragmatic.html" rel="nofollow">Phoebe Maltz's</a> fabulous post. See also Phoebe Maltz’s fabulous post.

]]> By: Noga http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-3963 Noga Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:16:11 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-3963 "We know that Olmert and Livni no longer deny the existence of the Palestinians because they have repeatedly and publicly said so. We don’t have to speculate about whether, behind a mask of absolutist rhetoric, they might really be willing to accept that Palestinians have political rights. Why demand anything less from Hamas?" This reminded me of a similar argument made by Norm Geras: "What about Hamas's founding charter, replete with antisemitic imagery.... [Jimmy Carter:] "They ridiculed it as being ancient, passé, an inconsequential document. But I don't speak for anyone else." Can it be that Carter failed to follow up here in the obvious way: if the document is no longer of any account, why not revoke it and replace it with something else? Can Hamas have missed this idea? Can Jimmy Carter? " http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2008/06/carters-unasked-question.html “We know that Olmert and Livni no longer deny the existence of the Palestinians because they have repeatedly and publicly said so. We don’t have to speculate about whether, behind a mask of absolutist rhetoric, they might really be willing to accept that Palestinians have political rights.

Why demand anything less from Hamas?”

This reminded me of a similar argument made by Norm Geras:

“What about Hamas’s founding charter, replete with antisemitic imagery…. [Jimmy Carter:] “They ridiculed it as being ancient, passé, an inconsequential document. But I don’t speak for anyone else.”

Can it be that Carter failed to follow up here in the obvious way: if the document is no longer of any account, why not revoke it and replace it with something else? Can Hamas have missed this idea? Can Jimmy Carter? ”

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2008/06/carters-unasked-question.html

]]> By: jackson Dyer http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-3961 jackson Dyer Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:28:40 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-3961 Roger Cohen, the hopefully temporary NY Times columnist has entered that phase of a columnist career where he reacts with intemperance to criticisms of his previous columns: “At this vast human, material and moral price, Israel achieved almost nothing beyond damage to its image throughout the world. Israel has the right to hit back when attacked, but any response should be proportional and governed by sober political calculation.” Roger doesn’t even bother to check his facts nor does he know the meaning of “proportional response” under international law. His view that Israel overreacted to what he considers a few scattered rockets fired at Israeli towns is a distortion of what went on. The Gazans had been firing rockers at Israel for years forcing residents of near by towns live in shelters. I would like to see him bringing up his children in such a town. No country can tolerate being under attack without responding. Mr. Cohen animus towards Israel makes him unfit to be a columnist for such an important paper. He should be writing on some left wing Israel hating website instead. I have never been so ashamed of the NY Times before. I hope they fire him. Roger Cohen, the hopefully temporary NY Times columnist has entered that phase of a columnist career where he reacts with intemperance to criticisms of his previous columns:

“At this vast human, material and moral price, Israel achieved almost nothing beyond damage to its image throughout the world. Israel has the right to hit back when attacked, but any response should be proportional and governed by sober political calculation.”

Roger doesn’t even bother to check his facts nor does he know the meaning of “proportional response” under international law. His view that Israel overreacted to what he considers a few scattered rockets fired at Israeli towns is a distortion of what went on.

The Gazans had been firing rockers at Israel for years forcing residents of near by towns live in shelters. I would like to see him bringing up his children in such a town.

No country can tolerate being under attack without responding.

Mr. Cohen animus towards Israel makes him unfit to be a columnist for such an important paper. He should be writing on some left wing Israel hating website instead.

I have never been so ashamed of the NY Times before. I hope they fire him.

]]> By: The Insufferable Roger Cohen « El Nuevo Pantano http://blog.z-word.com/2009/03/negotiating-with-hamas-logic-and-roger-cohen/#comment-3956 The Insufferable Roger Cohen « El Nuevo Pantano Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:42:15 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=1122#comment-3956 [...] The Insufferable Roger Cohen Published March 9, 2009 Gaza , Israel , Palestinians Tags: The Z Word Blog here [...] […] The Insufferable Roger Cohen Published March 9, 2009 Gaza , Israel , Palestinians Tags: The Z Word Blog here […]

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