Comments on: Holocaust Abuse Tactics http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:37:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: John http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3321 John Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:01:54 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3321 In the New South Wales Parliament building there will soon be a meeting "sponsored" by the Government. It's being set up by fans of Hamas and other Left/Muslim anti-Israel haters to have a think-tank over recent events in Gaza. Kaufman's words are being used in their mailouts for the obvious propaganda reasons. What I can't understand about these self-loathing Jews is that their words add support to Hamas belief, as per its Charter, that, for example, Jews are behind the drug and alcohol trade, that they control the world's media, that all Muslims should unite to rid the world of Israel and that Jews should return to their Allah-ordained dhimmi status. Is Kaufman aware that his words lend support for another potential Holocaust? In the New South Wales Parliament building there will soon be a meeting “sponsored” by the Government. It’s being set up by fans of Hamas and other Left/Muslim anti-Israel haters to have a think-tank over recent events in Gaza. Kaufman’s words are being used in their mailouts for the obvious propaganda reasons. What I can’t understand about these self-loathing Jews is that their words add support to Hamas belief, as per its Charter, that, for example, Jews are behind the drug and alcohol trade, that they control the world’s media, that all Muslims should unite to rid the world of Israel and that Jews should return to their Allah-ordained dhimmi status. Is Kaufman aware that his words lend support for another potential Holocaust?

]]> By: jdyer http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3273 jdyer Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:50:57 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3273 "Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel’s actions, however legitimate they may be." Makom, conversely, the actions of Diaspora Jews reflect on people's attitudes towards Israel and other Jews. Shouldn't Israelis and all Jews have a say in how every single Jewish community, or even every Jew behaves? The recent Madoff scandal reflects badly on all Jews and has been responsible for a spike in antisemitism world wide. My point Makoff is that you are only responsible for your own actions. Jews outside Israel are not legitimate targets and more than all Muslims are legitimate targets when Islamic murderers kill innocent people in the name of their faith. This is called antisemitism and racism. This is something the world needs to learn anew. The holding of all members of a group responsible for what some people do will lead to deadly world wide anarchy. “Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel’s actions, however legitimate they may be.”

Makom, conversely, the actions of Diaspora Jews reflect on people’s attitudes towards Israel and other Jews.

Shouldn’t Israelis and all Jews have a say in how every single Jewish community, or even every Jew behaves?

The recent Madoff scandal reflects badly on all Jews and has been responsible for a spike in antisemitism world wide.

My point Makoff is that you are only responsible for your own actions. Jews outside Israel are not legitimate targets and more than all Muslims are legitimate targets when Islamic murderers kill innocent people in the name of their faith. This is called antisemitism and racism.

This is something the world needs to learn anew. The holding of all members of a group responsible for what some people do will lead to deadly world wide anarchy.

]]> By: jdyer http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3272 jdyer Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:40:11 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3272 Wikipedia says that Gerald Kaufman was born in Leeds in 1930. "Sir Gerald Bernard Kaufman (born 21 June 1930) is a British Labour Member of Parliament who was a government minister during the 1970s." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Kaufman !930 was a couple of years before Hitler took over Germany. In what way, then, is he connected to the Holocaust? His speech made it seem that he himself was a witness to the Holocaust. Can someone enlighten me on this? Wikipedia says that Gerald Kaufman was born in Leeds in 1930.

“Sir Gerald Bernard Kaufman (born 21 June 1930) is a British Labour Member of Parliament who was a government minister during the 1970s.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Kaufman

!930 was a couple of years before Hitler took over Germany.

In what way, then, is he connected to the Holocaust?

His speech made it seem that he himself was a witness to the Holocaust.

Can someone enlighten me on this?

]]> By: Ben Cohen http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3268 Ben Cohen Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:00:31 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3268 Quite possibly. I've no idea who David Finkelstein is. Quite possibly. I’ve no idea who David Finkelstein is.

]]> By: James http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3267 James Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:19:01 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3267 So David Finkelstein is a disgusting exploiter as well, right? So David Finkelstein is a disgusting exploiter as well, right?

]]> By: MAKOM http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3266 MAKOM Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:04:41 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3266 As expected, antisemitic attacks are up throughout the world, synagogues are attacked, and Jews on every campus are subject to increasingly fierce hostility. We have been here before. Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel's actions, however legitimate they may be. Our question is this: Does the Israeli government ever take this into account when making its decisions? If the diaspora is expected to take the rap for Israel's actions, and to come out in support, shouldn't it also be consulted at some point? If there is 'taxation', shouldn't there also be representation? Israel excites, alienates and compels. How are we as Jews implicated in Israel's achievements, mistakes, and challenges? MAKOM invites you to join an ongoing conversation about hugging and wrestling with Israel. http://makom.haaretz.com As expected, antisemitic attacks are up throughout the world, synagogues are attacked, and Jews on every campus are subject to increasingly fierce hostility. We have been here before. Justified or unjustified, the entire Jewish world pays the price of Israel’s actions, however legitimate they may be.

Our question is this: Does the Israeli government ever take this into account when making its decisions?

If the diaspora is expected to take the rap for Israel’s actions, and to come out in support, shouldn’t it also be consulted at some point?

If there is ‘taxation’, shouldn’t there also be representation?

Israel excites, alienates and compels. How are we as Jews implicated in Israel’s achievements, mistakes, and challenges? MAKOM invites you to join an ongoing conversation about hugging and wrestling with Israel.

http://makom.haaretz.com

]]> By: SnoopyTheGoon http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3265 SnoopyTheGoon Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:15:47 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3265 Ben, If I got a dollar, no, even a shekel, for every case of an article starting with the words "As a Jew" (or, for short, "AssaJew", I would... you know... As for Sir Gerald, as Empress here says, this is definitely a case of dementia, but not related to the age of this fine gentleman. He was born this way, you may consider it another ad hominem, but there's nothing to do about this, it's the simple truth of this case. Ben,

If I got a dollar, no, even a shekel, for every case of an article starting with the words “As a Jew” (or, for short, “AssaJew”, I would… you know…

As for Sir Gerald, as Empress here says, this is definitely a case of dementia, but not related to the age of this fine gentleman. He was born this way, you may consider it another ad hominem, but there’s nothing to do about this, it’s the simple truth of this case.

]]> By: Empress Trudy http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3259 Empress Trudy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:04:21 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3259 So a guy who wears his ancestors persecution on his sleeve condemns anyone else who refers to their own ancestor's persecution? But only if their Jewish? Does he have senile dementia? So a guy who wears his ancestors persecution on his sleeve condemns anyone else who refers to their own ancestor’s persecution? But only if their Jewish?

Does he have senile dementia?

]]> By: Evan http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3258 Evan Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:41:16 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3258 Bravo, Ben. Bravo, Ben.

]]> By: Englender http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/holocaust-abuse-tactics/#comment-3255 Englender Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:53:48 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=908#comment-3255 Like you, I found Gerald Kaufman’s comment comparing the Holocaust with Israeli action very troubling. There some people like Kaufman whose parents or grandparents suffered in the Holocaust and have taken an anti-Israel stance in this conflict. However, there are many more people like me whose parents and grandparents also suffered through the Holocaust and have come to a very different conclusion about the conflict; among the latter are more than a million “children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors” who reside in Israel. The most troublesome aspect of Kaufman’s comments, aside from its sheer brutality (comparing the wanton murder of his grandmother with the attempt by Israel to defend itself from rocket attacks, is the way Kaufman while accusing those who support Israel of “exploiting” the Shoah for political purposes goes ahead and exploits the Shoah for his own political purposes. This has been the unspoken cynical assumption of people like Finkelstein and Kaufman: it is legitimate to compare Israel to the Nazis but it is “manipulative” to compare Hamas and Hezbollah, not to mention Iran, to the Nazis. Kaufman’s tantrum is the latest in such manipulative attacks on Israel. His comparison was wrong as well as vile and we are obligated to say so. Like you, I found Gerald Kaufman’s comment comparing the Holocaust with Israeli action very troubling.

There some people like Kaufman whose parents or grandparents suffered in the Holocaust and have taken an anti-Israel stance in this conflict. However, there are many more people like me whose parents and grandparents also suffered through the Holocaust and have come to a very different conclusion about the conflict; among the latter are more than a million “children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors” who reside in Israel.

The most troublesome aspect of Kaufman’s comments, aside from its sheer brutality (comparing the wanton murder of his grandmother with the attempt by Israel to defend itself from rocket attacks, is the way Kaufman while accusing those who support Israel of “exploiting” the Shoah for political purposes goes ahead and exploits the Shoah for his own political purposes.

This has been the unspoken cynical assumption of people like Finkelstein and Kaufman: it is legitimate to compare Israel to the Nazis but it is “manipulative” to compare Hamas and Hezbollah, not to mention Iran, to the Nazis.

Kaufman’s tantrum is the latest in such manipulative attacks on Israel. His comparison was wrong as well as vile and we are obligated to say so.

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