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	<title>Comments on: Gaza, Antisemitism And Carelessness With Words</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3454</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, I now can see that you probably translated it yourself.  And therefore perhaps wilfully mistranslated it, for the purpose of making it seem that your inference was clearly correct.  

Seems pretty dishonest if you ask me. There's enough real anti-Semitism around without going after people like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, I now can see that you probably translated it yourself.  And therefore perhaps wilfully mistranslated it, for the purpose of making it seem that your inference was clearly correct.  </p>
<p>Seems pretty dishonest if you ask me. There&#8217;s enough real anti-Semitism around without going after people like this.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3452</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what, pray, is that supposed to mean?

It seems to me that you have taken a well-meaning article and found, as you are fond of doing, some implication in which you find offense.  Except this time you've based your case on a bit of a mistranslation. 

If you used the correct translation, you would see that it implies that using correct definitions would "help" or "allow" in avoiding a decline of anti-Zionism into anti-Semitism, not stop such a decline.  So the writer doesn't believe using the correct definitions will "stop" anti-Semitism, he believes it will help to prevent it, because he doesn't want stupid people who wish to criticize Israel to think this means they must therefore criticize Jews and become anti-Semites, or to believe that if they criticize Israel they must be criticizing the Jewish people.

Apparently you'd like to go after him for this.  Maybe because you don't accept any distinction - I don't know.  Or maybe you just have to much time on your hands.

If you're going to be in the business of micro-analyzing people's words in search of things you don't like, you'd better get the words right, don't you think?

And I still don't know what your reply is supposed to mean.  Apparently I'm unable to parse your words sufficiently well to have a clue what you're trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what, pray, is that supposed to mean?</p>
<p>It seems to me that you have taken a well-meaning article and found, as you are fond of doing, some implication in which you find offense.  Except this time you&#8217;ve based your case on a bit of a mistranslation. </p>
<p>If you used the correct translation, you would see that it implies that using correct definitions would &#8220;help&#8221; or &#8220;allow&#8221; in avoiding a decline of anti-Zionism into anti-Semitism, not stop such a decline.  So the writer doesn&#8217;t believe using the correct definitions will &#8220;stop&#8221; anti-Semitism, he believes it will help to prevent it, because he doesn&#8217;t want stupid people who wish to criticize Israel to think this means they must therefore criticize Jews and become anti-Semites, or to believe that if they criticize Israel they must be criticizing the Jewish people.</p>
<p>Apparently you&#8217;d like to go after him for this.  Maybe because you don&#8217;t accept any distinction - I don&#8217;t know.  Or maybe you just have to much time on your hands.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to be in the business of micro-analyzing people&#8217;s words in search of things you don&#8217;t like, you&#8217;d better get the words right, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>And I still don&#8217;t know what your reply is supposed to mean.  Apparently I&#8217;m unable to parse your words sufficiently well to have a clue what you&#8217;re trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3451</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fact that you criticise me for using a verb in the English translation the literal translation of which is not present in the Spanish text tells us all we need need to know about you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact that you criticise me for using a verb in the English translation the literal translation of which is not present in the Spanish text tells us all we need need to know about you</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece, but I think you take it a bit too far with the constant parsing of words to find some tiny little thing to object to.  In particular, the final quote is an inexact translation insofar as it allows you to make a point that is a lot less clearly implied the original Spanish.

The original Spanish DOES NOT insert the additional verb "stop" into the sentence.  In fact it uses the verb of the previous phrase to extend to the second phrase.

Regardless of that, I think Frank Furedi's description applies here:  

"(You) interpret what are in fact confused and ambiguous references ...as expressions of anti-Semitism. 

"Consequently, the charge that a certain statement is ‘anti-Semitic’ should not be accepted at face value. Statements and acts need to be analysed and interpreted in the context in which they were made or carried out. It is particularly important to resist the temptation to characterise speech or behaviour as anti-Semitic by second-guessing its real meaning. An objective assessment demands analysis of what was actually said, rather than speculation about its ‘true’ or ‘hidden’ meaning. Just as we already have the irrational concept of ‘unwitting racism’ in the UK, we may soon end up with charges of ‘unwitting anti-Semitism’ being made against those individuals judged by other people’s interpretive wits to be anti-Semitic."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece, but I think you take it a bit too far with the constant parsing of words to find some tiny little thing to object to.  In particular, the final quote is an inexact translation insofar as it allows you to make a point that is a lot less clearly implied the original Spanish.</p>
<p>The original Spanish DOES NOT insert the additional verb &#8220;stop&#8221; into the sentence.  In fact it uses the verb of the previous phrase to extend to the second phrase.</p>
<p>Regardless of that, I think Frank Furedi&#8217;s description applies here:  </p>
<p>&#8220;(You) interpret what are in fact confused and ambiguous references &#8230;as expressions of anti-Semitism. </p>
<p>&#8220;Consequently, the charge that a certain statement is ‘anti-Semitic’ should not be accepted at face value. Statements and acts need to be analysed and interpreted in the context in which they were made or carried out. It is particularly important to resist the temptation to characterise speech or behaviour as anti-Semitic by second-guessing its real meaning. An objective assessment demands analysis of what was actually said, rather than speculation about its ‘true’ or ‘hidden’ meaning. Just as we already have the irrational concept of ‘unwitting racism’ in the UK, we may soon end up with charges of ‘unwitting anti-Semitism’ being made against those individuals judged by other people’s interpretive wits to be anti-Semitic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a little off-topic, but the BBC's refusal to broadcast a Gaza Emergency Appeal is already being blamed on the "Israel lobby" and the BBC's supposedly pro-Israel stance in The Guardian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a little off-topic, but the BBC&#8217;s refusal to broadcast a Gaza Emergency Appeal is already being blamed on the &#8220;Israel lobby&#8221; and the BBC&#8217;s supposedly pro-Israel stance in The Guardian.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Gaza, Antisemitism And Carelessness With Words &#171; Engage - the anti-racist campaign against antisemitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gaza, Gaza, Gaza &#171; El Nuevo Pantano</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3357</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaza, Gaza, Gaza &#171; El Nuevo Pantano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jdyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2009/01/gaza-antisemitism-and-carelessness-with-words/#comment-3353</link>
		<dc:creator>jdyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Catalunya is cancelling its Holocaust Day memorial ceremonies on January 27th. “Marking the Jewish Holocaust while a Palestinian Holocaust is taking place is not right,” a local City official told Barcelona’s La Vanguardia newspaper."

This is what it's all about, devaluing the Shoah.


Catalunyans need to read up its own history: 

There were anti-Jewish pogroms in Catalonia and other areas of Spain in 1391 which forced Jews to convert or to go into exile. There is a reason why Spain had been Judenrein for many centuries. 

As to their cancelling the Holocaust Day ceremonies, they were just politically inspired. Their cancellations speak volumes about their real attitudes towards Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Catalunya is cancelling its Holocaust Day memorial ceremonies on January 27th. “Marking the Jewish Holocaust while a Palestinian Holocaust is taking place is not right,” a local City official told Barcelona’s La Vanguardia newspaper.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what it&#8217;s all about, devaluing the Shoah.</p>
<p>Catalunyans need to read up its own history: </p>
<p>There were anti-Jewish pogroms in Catalonia and other areas of Spain in 1391 which forced Jews to convert or to go into exile. There is a reason why Spain had been Judenrein for many centuries. </p>
<p>As to their cancelling the Holocaust Day ceremonies, they were just politically inspired. Their cancellations speak volumes about their real attitudes towards Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Empress Trudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Empress Trudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a really hard time faking tolerance for people who are patiently telling me they want me dead, not because I'm a Jew but because of some other reason that's awfully close to that. Only with antisemitism do we allow racists and bigots to tell US the ground rules for which we can and cannot be offended. Imagine if you will some Klan heads telling black people that it's not because they're black that they should be slaves, but because they're genetically inferior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a really hard time faking tolerance for people who are patiently telling me they want me dead, not because I&#8217;m a Jew but because of some other reason that&#8217;s awfully close to that. Only with antisemitism do we allow racists and bigots to tell US the ground rules for which we can and cannot be offended. Imagine if you will some Klan heads telling black people that it&#8217;s not because they&#8217;re black that they should be slaves, but because they&#8217;re genetically inferior.</p>
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