Comments on: Umm al Fahm Reprieved from Far Right Threat http://blog.z-word.com/2008/12/umm-al-fahm-reprieved-from-far-right-threat/ Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:56:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC1.1 By: Karl Pfeifer http://blog.z-word.com/2008/12/umm-al-fahm-reprieved-from-far-right-threat/#comment-2486 Karl Pfeifer Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:13:04 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=674#comment-2486 I beg to differ dear Noga knowing that my opinion is not popular in the English speaking democracies. Article 1 of UN Declaration of Human Rights: Article 1. "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." "Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association..." So when people misuse "freedom of opinion and expression" in order to breach the peace and injure the human dignity of others, those hate preachers should not be allowed to trample on the dignity of others. Probably in countries like the USA and the UK there is no danger in letting the hate preachers preach, but in those countries of Europe, where the Holocaust took place there is a danger. Alone in Hungary in November four Roma were murdered. Let us not forget, first come the words, then the murder. I beg to differ dear Noga knowing that my opinion is not popular in the English speaking democracies.

Article 1 of UN Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 1.

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.”

“Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association…”

So when people misuse “freedom of opinion and expression” in order to breach the peace and injure the human dignity of others, those hate preachers should not be allowed to trample on the dignity of others.

Probably in countries like the USA and the UK there is no danger in letting the hate preachers preach, but in those countries of Europe, where the Holocaust took place there is a danger. Alone in Hungary in November four Roma were murdered. Let us not forget, first come the words, then the murder.

]]> By: Noga http://blog.z-word.com/2008/12/umm-al-fahm-reprieved-from-far-right-threat/#comment-2485 Noga Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:18:01 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=674#comment-2485 It also makes possible a future scenario, in which Arab Israelis will want to march for a one state solution. The police will be perfectly in line with this precedent to refuse them permission to do so. I am reminded of the the when a neo-Nazi group announced its intention to parade in Skokie, Illinois, in 1977. "The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American Civil Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis' right to free speech." http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html A much better solution would have been to allow the parade, but to organize hundreds of thousands of Israeli JEWS to come and form a human wall between the Kahanists and the toundspeople. Plus a heavy riot police presence. Democracy costs and this is one of those times when it seems at though upholding a democratic principle is not worth the trouble. I think it does. It could send a powerful message to the anti-democratic forces on both sides. It also makes possible a future scenario, in which Arab Israelis will want to march for a one state solution. The police will be perfectly in line with this precedent to refuse them permission to do so.

I am reminded of the the when a neo-Nazi group announced its intention to parade in Skokie, Illinois, in 1977.

“The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free speech while their Jewish “targets” claimed the right to live without intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American Civil Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis’ right to free speech.”

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html

A much better solution would have been to allow the parade, but to organize hundreds of thousands of Israeli JEWS to come and form a human wall between the Kahanists and the toundspeople. Plus a heavy riot police presence. Democracy costs and this is one of those times when it seems at though upholding a democratic principle is not worth the trouble. I think it does. It could send a powerful message to the anti-democratic forces on both sides.

]]> By: Karl Pfeifer http://blog.z-word.com/2008/12/umm-al-fahm-reprieved-from-far-right-threat/#comment-2484 Karl Pfeifer Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:28:27 +0000 http://blog.z-word.com/?p=674#comment-2484 Such hate demonstrations should be always forbidden. Israel is certainly not a light to the nations but Israeli courts are punishing incitement. The Jewish and democratic state is in contradiction to its neighbors a state founded on law. Of course the professional detractors will never acknowledge this. Some of them dream about a one-state-solution which would be for the Jews of Israel terrible. In not one Arab state (and in Iran) are minorities and Human Rights respected. Those "antizionists" who point with a finger to Israel and get excited about the extreme right riffraff there should not forget, by doing so 3 of their fingers point to their own country. So let’s sweep the dirt before the own door first. Here in Vienna it is incredible to see the “women in black” demonstrating every month in the center of town against the state of Israel and thus accommodating the many antisemites here. Such hate demonstrations should be always forbidden.
Israel is certainly not a light to the nations but Israeli courts are punishing incitement. The Jewish and democratic state is in contradiction to its neighbors a state founded on law.

Of course the professional detractors will never acknowledge this. Some of them dream about a one-state-solution which would be for the Jews of Israel terrible. In not one Arab state (and in Iran) are minorities and Human Rights respected.
Those “antizionists” who point with a finger to Israel and get excited about the extreme right riffraff there should not forget, by doing so 3 of their fingers point to their own country.

So let’s sweep the dirt before the own door first.
Here in Vienna it is incredible to see the “women in black” demonstrating every month in the center of town against the state of Israel and thus accommodating the many antisemites here.

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