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	<title>Comments on: José Pablo Feinmann and &#8220;the Jew&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Argentina you can get a cop to do any kind of dirty job, provided you pay him adequately. Granted, it was home-aided violence -- but not home-grown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Argentina you can get a cop to do any kind of dirty job, provided you pay him adequately. Granted, it was home-aided violence &#8212; but not home-grown.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The AMIA bombing was international terrorism inflicted on Argentina, not home-grown violence. Antisemitism is a very minor problem in Argentina."

As the dogs on the streets here know, there was extensive cooperation given to the bombers by elements in the local security forces. Ribelli, Telleldín et al were aqcquited because of illegalities in the investigation not because anyone in their right mind thinks they were innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The AMIA bombing was international terrorism inflicted on Argentina, not home-grown violence. Antisemitism is a very minor problem in Argentina.&#8221;</p>
<p>As the dogs on the streets here know, there was extensive cooperation given to the bombers by elements in the local security forces. Ribelli, Telleldín et al were aqcquited because of illegalities in the investigation not because anyone in their right mind thinks they were innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-1027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibrahim, your English is fine. Much better than my Spanish. But the point stands: if you are unaware of Der Sturmer, and unsure of what it represents, how are you able to place contemporary antisemitic discourse in any context? 

Also, by what method do you judge something to be a "very minor problem"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibrahim, your English is fine. Much better than my Spanish. But the point stands: if you are unaware of Der Sturmer, and unsure of what it represents, how are you able to place contemporary antisemitic discourse in any context? </p>
<p>Also, by what method do you judge something to be a &#8220;very minor problem&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I never read" was meant to be in the past. Maybe I should have written "I've never read," which I think would sound more natural to a British English speaker. I don't know; I speak English as a second language and make frequent grammar mistakes.

The joke was not about a Jewish building in Buenos Aires; it was about a Jewish building in Rosario. This one:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21574993&#38;postcount=208

The AMIA bombing was international terrorism inflicted on Argentina, not home-grown violence. Antisemitism is a very minor problem in Argentina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I never read&#8221; was meant to be in the past. Maybe I should have written &#8220;I&#8217;ve never read,&#8221; which I think would sound more natural to a British English speaker. I don&#8217;t know; I speak English as a second language and make frequent grammar mistakes.</p>
<p>The joke was not about a Jewish building in Buenos Aires; it was about a Jewish building in Rosario. This one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21574993&amp;postcount=208" rel="nofollow">http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21574993&amp;postcount=208</a></p>
<p>The AMIA bombing was international terrorism inflicted on Argentina, not home-grown violence. Antisemitism is a very minor problem in Argentina.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because I never read &lt;i&gt;Der Stürmer.&lt;/i&gt;

None of us do, Ibrahim. That's because it was a particularly poisonous rag published by the Nazis under the editorship of Julius Streicher. The same Nazi Party which, incidentally, Heidegger, who is quoted by Feinmann, was a member of. I am reliably told it has ceased publication.

The fact that you evidently haven't heard of it (although there's every chance of your writing a follow-up comment hastily claiming that you had, and that you were just being facetious) tells me that you are pontificating about a subject of which you know nothing. 

If I were you, I wouldn't be so quick off the mark to joke about Jewish buildings in Buenos Aires being being attacked - or have you forgotten the AMIA bombing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe because I never read <i>Der Stürmer.</i></p>
<p>None of us do, Ibrahim. That&#8217;s because it was a particularly poisonous rag published by the Nazis under the editorship of Julius Streicher. The same Nazi Party which, incidentally, Heidegger, who is quoted by Feinmann, was a member of. I am reliably told it has ceased publication.</p>
<p>The fact that you evidently haven&#8217;t heard of it (although there&#8217;s every chance of your writing a follow-up comment hastily claiming that you had, and that you were just being facetious) tells me that you are pontificating about a subject of which you know nothing. </p>
<p>If I were you, I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick off the mark to joke about Jewish buildings in Buenos Aires being being attacked - or have you forgotten the AMIA bombing?</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you can’t reocognise language worthy of Der Stürmer&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe because I never read Der Stürmer. But fortunately you've opened my eyes and I now realize that Mr. Feinmann is a bigot and his hateful discourse is very dangerous for Argentina and its Jewish community. Just today I saw a friend of mine in the street carrying a Molotov cocktail. "What are you doing?," I asked. "I'm going to torch the synagogue on Paraguay street." "But you used to like Jews." "Yes, but now I've read Feinmann's article."

I thought of writing a long paragraph about gratuitous victimhood and the overblowing of trivialities, but I'll summarize it: give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you can’t reocognise language worthy of Der Stürmer</i></p>
<p>Maybe because I never read Der Stürmer. But fortunately you&#8217;ve opened my eyes and I now realize that Mr. Feinmann is a bigot and his hateful discourse is very dangerous for Argentina and its Jewish community. Just today I saw a friend of mine in the street carrying a Molotov cocktail. &#8220;What are you doing?,&#8221; I asked. &#8220;I&#8217;m going to torch the synagogue on Paraguay street.&#8221; &#8220;But you used to like Jews.&#8221; &#8220;Yes, but now I&#8217;ve read Feinmann&#8217;s article.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought of writing a long paragraph about gratuitous victimhood and the overblowing of trivialities, but I&#8217;ll summarize it: give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Noga</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Noga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But isn’t that what Zionists have been claiming all along?"

No. It's actually the anti Zionists, like Toni Judt who have claimed this. The very same anti-Zionists who like to fantasize that ""all Jews are silenced by the requirement to be supportive of Israel, and all non-Jews are silenced by the fear of being thought antisemitic".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But isn’t that what Zionists have been claiming all along?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. It&#8217;s actually the anti Zionists, like Toni Judt who have claimed this. The very same anti-Zionists who like to fantasize that &#8220;&#8221;all Jews are silenced by the requirement to be supportive of Israel, and all non-Jews are silenced by the fear of being thought antisemitic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can't reocognise language worthy of Der Stürmer then there's not much I can do to help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t reocognise language worthy of Der Stürmer then there&#8217;s not much I can do to help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don't get it.

When I read &lt;a href="http://weblogs.clarin.com/cronicas/archives/2008/01/los_privilegios_patagonicos.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;the Argentinian is discriminatory by nature&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a&gt;THE ARGENTINIAN IS RACIST and, what's worse, he's a racist who denies his own origins&lt;/a&gt;, I don't see any reference to "a kind of eternal essence going deeper than the opinions or beliefs of individual Argentinian people;" I realize that the use of the singular is simply a stylistic option and is not intended to attach any cosmological wickedness to the Argentinian essence.

If you believe that Israel is the country of the Jews, you can't complain about the actions of its citizens being attributed to "the Jew," any more than you can complain about the actions of individual Argentinians being attributed to "the Argentinian" in the examples above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>When I read <a href="http://weblogs.clarin.com/cronicas/archives/2008/01/los_privilegios_patagonicos.html" rel="nofollow">the Argentinian is discriminatory by nature</a>, or <a>THE ARGENTINIAN IS RACIST and, what&#8217;s worse, he&#8217;s a racist who denies his own origins</a>, I don&#8217;t see any reference to &#8220;a kind of eternal essence going deeper than the opinions or beliefs of individual Argentinian people;&#8221; I realize that the use of the singular is simply a stylistic option and is not intended to attach any cosmological wickedness to the Argentinian essence.</p>
<p>If you believe that Israel is the country of the Jews, you can&#8217;t complain about the actions of its citizens being attributed to &#8220;the Jew,&#8221; any more than you can complain about the actions of individual Argentinians being attributed to &#8220;the Argentinian&#8221; in the examples above.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn McDonagh</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/08/jose-pablo-feinmann-and-the-jew/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Feinmann is saying that Israel can be considered representative of the whole Jewish people."

Had he wanted to say that, he could have said it and we could have discussed it. What he did say was quite different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Feinmann is saying that Israel can be considered representative of the whole Jewish people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had he wanted to say that, he could have said it and we could have discussed it. What he did say was quite different.</p>
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