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	<title>Comments on: Trouble at Charlie Hebdo</title>
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	<description>Commentary about Zionism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism and the conflict in the Middle East</description>
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		<title>By: oliver</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sine's statement wasn't about Jewishness. Sine's statement was about Jean Sarkozy being opportunistic and being prepared to convert to Judaism to access the riches of the Darty empire heiress. Darty = money, not Jewishness. It was said in the context of an 'Arab' who had been victim of J. Sarkozy's doing a runner after having hit the person in question's car. The case kept being delayed in court (not because J.Sarkozy is or would like to be a Jew, but thanks to his father's long arms...). Sine isn't the first person to be the victim of Sarkozy Sr (see a high-ranking police officer on Corsica being moved the other day because he hadn't reacted violently enough to a nationalist protest aimed a one of Sarko's actor friends...). Sine's article was written for a satirical paper. Even if J. Sarkozy weren't opportunistic (only in love..), this still doesn't make Sine an anti-semite. As for anti-Sionism, that's another BIG debate.

Reading Charlie Hebdo requires a sense of irony and an ability not to take things literally (or at least it did until recently). The whole point of this paper is/was to deflate anyone or any community fuelled by hypocrisy or who think they know better than others. One-track minds and conformists will always be upset when reading it. Sine is an anti-conformist.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sine&#8217;s statement wasn&#8217;t about Jewishness. Sine&#8217;s statement was about Jean Sarkozy being opportunistic and being prepared to convert to Judaism to access the riches of the Darty empire heiress. Darty = money, not Jewishness. It was said in the context of an &#8216;Arab&#8217; who had been victim of J. Sarkozy&#8217;s doing a runner after having hit the person in question&#8217;s car. The case kept being delayed in court (not because J.Sarkozy is or would like to be a Jew, but thanks to his father&#8217;s long arms&#8230;). Sine isn&#8217;t the first person to be the victim of Sarkozy Sr (see a high-ranking police officer on Corsica being moved the other day because he hadn&#8217;t reacted violently enough to a nationalist protest aimed a one of Sarko&#8217;s actor friends&#8230;). Sine&#8217;s article was written for a satirical paper. Even if J. Sarkozy weren&#8217;t opportunistic (only in love..), this still doesn&#8217;t make Sine an anti-semite. As for anti-Sionism, that&#8217;s another BIG debate.</p>
<p>Reading Charlie Hebdo requires a sense of irony and an ability not to take things literally (or at least it did until recently). The whole point of this paper is/was to deflate anyone or any community fuelled by hypocrisy or who think they know better than others. One-track minds and conformists will always be upset when reading it. Sine is an anti-conformist.</p>
<p>oliver</p>
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		<title>By: Clothilde</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-1094</link>
		<dc:creator>Clothilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Yisrael Medad 

To answer this question, that (tasteless) Siné sentence about a Muslim woman in a chador and a shaved Jewish woman is from another article written some time back and is interpreted as meaning he would prefer a well-groomed Jewish woman to the chador lady. 

Rabidly anti-religious Siné particularly dislikes veiled Muslim women and wrote last month that "whenever I see a veiled Muslim woman, I want to kick her in the ass".

By the way "Siné the anti-semite"'s first wife and their daughter are Jewish and they both signed the petition defending him against these accusations of anti-semitism. Enough with the witch-hunting !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Yisrael Medad </p>
<p>To answer this question, that (tasteless) Siné sentence about a Muslim woman in a chador and a shaved Jewish woman is from another article written some time back and is interpreted as meaning he would prefer a well-groomed Jewish woman to the chador lady. </p>
<p>Rabidly anti-religious Siné particularly dislikes veiled Muslim women and wrote last month that &#8220;whenever I see a veiled Muslim woman, I want to kick her in the ass&#8221;.</p>
<p>By the way &#8220;Siné the anti-semite&#8221;&#8217;s first wife and their daughter are Jewish and they both signed the petition defending him against these accusations of anti-semitism. Enough with the witch-hunting !</p>
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		<title>By: Clothilde</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Clothilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish you could see some of the stuff Siné has published for decades against Catholics, Muslims, the military, women, homosexuals, etc..., he is a known provocateur.

The article who got him into trouble was not about the Jewish people, it was about Jean Sarkozy, who, at 21, has already proven he is a very ambitious opportunist, like his father. So, when, after his recent engagement to one of the wealthiest French heiresses, who happens to be Jewish, and several publications stated, wrongly it is now said, that "Prince Jean", who doesn't give the impression of being much interested in religion, was converting to Judaism, Siné said something like "this boy will go far", it is, the way most people read it, a sneer at the guy. But some saw in it something like "latent anti-semitism". And there were long-standing disagreements between the magazine owner over political matters and pressure from the Sarkozy family. There has been many incidents since the last two years about Sarkozy, who is friendly with the owners of most of the French media, pressuring, threatening and insulting journalists. Not an happy state of affair.

Looks like the way there are recurring accusations of "French anti-semitism" seems to be backfiring and this silly incident is some kind of last straw. 

A few evenings back, a guy walking in the street in France was asked by two louts "are you a Muslim ?". The guy said yes and was savagely attacked. Police managed to arrest one of the perps and found a stash of neo-nazi publications and symbols in his appartment. This has barely been mentioned in the national press and not at all in the international one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish you could see some of the stuff Siné has published for decades against Catholics, Muslims, the military, women, homosexuals, etc&#8230;, he is a known provocateur.</p>
<p>The article who got him into trouble was not about the Jewish people, it was about Jean Sarkozy, who, at 21, has already proven he is a very ambitious opportunist, like his father. So, when, after his recent engagement to one of the wealthiest French heiresses, who happens to be Jewish, and several publications stated, wrongly it is now said, that &#8220;Prince Jean&#8221;, who doesn&#8217;t give the impression of being much interested in religion, was converting to Judaism, Siné said something like &#8220;this boy will go far&#8221;, it is, the way most people read it, a sneer at the guy. But some saw in it something like &#8220;latent anti-semitism&#8221;. And there were long-standing disagreements between the magazine owner over political matters and pressure from the Sarkozy family. There has been many incidents since the last two years about Sarkozy, who is friendly with the owners of most of the French media, pressuring, threatening and insulting journalists. Not an happy state of affair.</p>
<p>Looks like the way there are recurring accusations of &#8220;French anti-semitism&#8221; seems to be backfiring and this silly incident is some kind of last straw. </p>
<p>A few evenings back, a guy walking in the street in France was asked by two louts &#8220;are you a Muslim ?&#8221;. The guy said yes and was savagely attacked. Police managed to arrest one of the perps and found a stash of neo-nazi publications and symbols in his appartment. This has barely been mentioned in the national press and not at all in the international one.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double standards
You can humiliate the entire religion and its prophet and link them to terrorism. That's fine because you protect the freedom of expression. On the other hand, if you relate wealth or money to another religion you are anti-Semite and you loose your job. what a hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double standards<br />
You can humiliate the entire religion and its prophet and link them to terrorism. That&#8217;s fine because you protect the freedom of expression. On the other hand, if you relate wealth or money to another religion you are anti-Semite and you loose your job. what a hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lymond Crawford</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Lymond Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another false comparison is the right to publish the Mohammed cartoons and Sine's libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another false comparison is the right to publish the Mohammed cartoons and Sine&#8217;s libel.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Malin</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-939</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Malin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

"Sine is not an antisemite: he is antireligion, antichrist, antimuslim and antijews..."

There's an interesting slide there — I don't know if it's yours or his — from 'antireligion, antichrist' to 'antimuslim, antijew'. Anti-Judaism and anti-Islam would be defensible positions, but anti-Jew means antisemite by definition, and anti-Muslim is racism by any name. Maybe English isn't your native language and you meant to say 'antijudaism', but in fact that's not what got Siné in trouble at Charlie Hebdo. He isn't being criticised for saying anything about the Jewish religion, but for repeating one of the ancient slurs against the character of Jews as people and as a community. That, again, is antisemitic and Brian from Toronto is spot on about the way Siné, rather than withdraw his libel, slips his antisemitism back in his pocket and brings out his antizionism to wave as a distraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>&#8220;Sine is not an antisemite: he is antireligion, antichrist, antimuslim and antijews&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting slide there — I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s yours or his — from &#8216;antireligion, antichrist&#8217; to &#8216;antimuslim, antijew&#8217;. Anti-Judaism and anti-Islam would be defensible positions, but anti-Jew means antisemite by definition, and anti-Muslim is racism by any name. Maybe English isn&#8217;t your native language and you meant to say &#8216;antijudaism&#8217;, but in fact that&#8217;s not what got Siné in trouble at Charlie Hebdo. He isn&#8217;t being criticised for saying anything about the Jewish religion, but for repeating one of the ancient slurs against the character of Jews as people and as a community. That, again, is antisemitic and Brian from Toronto is spot on about the way Siné, rather than withdraw his libel, slips his antisemitism back in his pocket and brings out his antizionism to wave as a distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: Yisrael Medad</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>Yisrael Medad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my French is from high school, can you help: wasn't there a reference to Sine choosing either between the Muslim females in a chador and the "shaved heads" of Jewish women and he'd choose the Muslim?  Is that available in French?  And my point would be: what has shaved heads of Hassidic women to do with Sarkozy Jr.?  His wife is going to shave her head?  There's were the real antisemitism is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my French is from high school, can you help: wasn&#8217;t there a reference to Sine choosing either between the Muslim females in a chador and the &#8220;shaved heads&#8221; of Jewish women and he&#8217;d choose the Muslim?  Is that available in French?  And my point would be: what has shaved heads of Hassidic women to do with Sarkozy Jr.?  His wife is going to shave her head?  There&#8217;s were the real antisemitism is!</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sine is not an antisemite: he is antireligion, antichrist, antimuslim and antijews, he hates the army, the bosses, the clergy, the hunters, the government, he is also sexist and doesn't like the gay pride parade. He is a talented veteran cartoonist who writes a weekly diatribe in Charlie Hebdo since the sixties. Charlie Hebdo is a satirical newspaper that always valued provocation and freedom of speech(for example, they published the infamous Muhammad cartoons, were sued and won). Many people feel that its editor in chief, Philippe Val is a hypocrite who was only looking for an excuse to fire Sine because he denounced the fact that Charlie Hebdo and Clearstream (a corporation under investigation for corruption)had the same lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sine is not an antisemite: he is antireligion, antichrist, antimuslim and antijews, he hates the army, the bosses, the clergy, the hunters, the government, he is also sexist and doesn&#8217;t like the gay pride parade. He is a talented veteran cartoonist who writes a weekly diatribe in Charlie Hebdo since the sixties. Charlie Hebdo is a satirical newspaper that always valued provocation and freedom of speech(for example, they published the infamous Muhammad cartoons, were sued and won). Many people feel that its editor in chief, Philippe Val is a hypocrite who was only looking for an excuse to fire Sine because he denounced the fact that Charlie Hebdo and Clearstream (a corporation under investigation for corruption)had the same lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian from Toronto</title>
		<link>http://blog.z-word.com/2008/07/trouble-at-charlie-hebdo/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian from Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting sequence of events here:  Sine makes an antisemitic crack against Sarkozy Jr.  He gets called on it.  Neither he, nor those taking his side, defend his remark.  Instead, they burnish Sine's anti-Israel credentials.

It's become the standard justification for antisemitism:  "But I hate Israel, surely I'm allowed..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting sequence of events here:  Sine makes an antisemitic crack against Sarkozy Jr.  He gets called on it.  Neither he, nor those taking his side, defend his remark.  Instead, they burnish Sine&#8217;s anti-Israel credentials.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s become the standard justification for antisemitism:  &#8220;But I hate Israel, surely I&#8217;m allowed&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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